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80% of tech could be built outside IT by 2024, thanks to low-code tools

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Re: 80% of tech could be built outside IT by 2024, thanks to low-code tools

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Post by quantified »

cardosof wrote: post #91

It's been around 8 years since this happened: I started learning R and a Gartner consultant told me I was wasting my time because, "as Gartner puts it", the future of data science is citizen data scientists with very little coding skills because the tools and frameworks will do all the heavy lifting. I ignored him because I liked the language anyway. I guess every now and then someone will try to sell a tool to "buil…

I didn’t catch anything in the piece about development that could be a revenue-producing product. Rather, sounded like internal apps that might have been done in Excel or Access plus some VBA goodness back in the day.

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Post by EvilEy3 »

quanto wrote: post #110

As a programmer, I am hoping the low-code future comes true. Many of the comments here seem critical (and rightly so). It is naturally to be critical as the no-code/low-code approach overpromised before, and its hypothetical success (if ever) will threaten the job security of the many in the HN crowd. However, the existence of low-code tools means that coders can focus more on the complex problems and/or work with th…

YAML developer? No thanks, take a look at DevOps to get a peak of how it looks like.

Re: 80% of tech could be built outside IT by 2024, thanks to low-code tools

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Post by jacquesm »

gregjor wrote: post #117
jacquesm wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've looked at a whole bunch of low code tools in the last two years and my opinion has shifted from high grade bullshit sold by the clueless to the even more clueless ('Now: coding for managers') to where I believe that the current crop of low code/no code platforms has something real to offer and has staying power for some use cases. Specifically: lots of forms based processing backed by relational DBs with occasio…

Sure. Tools like that have been around since the ‘70s. They have their uses — building forms and reports point-and-click. But the limited scope and inevitable low ceiling of capabilities means they did not spell the end of programmers. Instead they expand the market because the non-programmers will need help when they outgrow their tools, or even sooner when they can’t figure out a JOIN or GROUP BY or how to handle r…

No, this is a lot better than what was sold during the 70's, 80's and up to the mid 2000's. I'm aware of all of those developments, was regularly pitched about them and have evaluated the bulk of the solutions on offer, from Mimer, Mapper and other mainframe based solutions to the various offerings on PCs and UNIX platforms. Those are not to be compared to the three I mentioned above.

Agreed on the fact that these lead to market expansion and that they typically are only good up to a certain point but the examples you give are solved problems for a long time now.

Re: 80% of tech could be built outside IT by 2024, thanks to low-code tools

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Post by TechBro8615 »

cardosof wrote: post #91

It's been around 8 years since this happened: I started learning R and a Gartner consultant told me I was wasting my time because, "as Gartner puts it", the future of data science is citizen data scientists with very little coding skills because the tools and frameworks will do all the heavy lifting. I ignored him because I liked the language anyway. I guess every now and then someone will try to sell a tool to "buil…

As a wise investor once told me, “once it shows up in Gartner, it’s done innovating.”

Re: 80% of tech could be built outside IT by 2024, thanks to low-code tools

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Post by bootloop »

humbleMouse wrote: post #98
brundolf wrote: post #88

Something I've realized about programming as a profession is that people hire developers to build even stuff that's mostly cookie-cutter, because nothing is ever totally cookie-cutter. Every CRUD app has a few weird edge-cases that aren't covered by the framework (or low-code tool), and require you to bail out and code around it.

It’s almost like people are paying for an actual human to sit around all day and unscrew things and make sure servers stay up! I wonder if servers will ever just keep themselves up?

Just put it into the cloud. It will stay afloat by magic.

Re: 80% of tech could be built outside IT by 2024, thanks to low-code tools

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Post by foxbee »

johntash wrote: post #105
foxbee wrote: post #42

I'm the co-founder of Budibase, an open source low code platform, and 70% of our signups 30,000) are from IT. Low code abstracts a lot of the coding effort, but it's still inherently complex to build applications. The code is only one part of the puzzle. For us, it's more about speeding up the dev process for IT profs and removing the repetitive, grunt work. For ref: https://github.com/Budibase/budibase

> I'm the co-founder of Budibase, an open source low code platform, and 70% of our signups 30,000) are from IT. I'm curious, what makes up the other 30%?

Technical founders, non technical founders, designers, marketers, teachers, students, and lots more

Re: 80% of tech could be built outside IT by 2024, thanks to low-code tools

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Post by kfk »

low-code tools help domain experts do amazing things but eventually lack of simple understanding of things like data structures, inferential statistics, etc, always hit back... hard. By the way it’s the same issue with amazing programmers that refuse to empathize with business.

Re: 80% of tech could be built outside IT by 2024, thanks to low-code tools

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Post by PinkPigeon »

mywittyname wrote: post #112
andrewmcwatters wrote: post #86

I don’t even know of good standards-compliant WYSIWYGs for HTML besides maybe(?) Webflow these days, and that's proprietary. I don’t know how you’d do low-code anything today in any meaningful sense. Of all the people who care about automation, if there were good, viable low-code options, developers themselves would want to use them!

I've used a couple of those website builders you see advertised on YouTube occasionally, and they are pretty good. You can't do complicated custom web applications with them, but that's not what they are designed for. They are designed for building nice, if generic, websites quickly. Those tools are probably what killed the market for professional WYSIWYG editors.

I happen to build one of them. Have a look at https://pinkpigeon.co.uk and I'll check back in here to answer any questions.

It's worth noting that your point is correct: a no code solution for building websites is inevitably going to be limited in terms of how much customisation someone can do, but one gains speed and ease of use on the flipside.

Re: 80% of tech could be built outside IT by 2024, thanks to low-code tools

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Post by danybittel »

alxlaz wrote: post #36

You could replace every occurrence of 1991 in this article with 2021, and every occurrence of 2024 with 1994, and it would read exactly like a piece from 1991, and have just as much substance, too. (Spoiler alert: nope, it didn't happen in 1994, either.)

That is weird argument, just because it didn't happen then, it doesn't happen now? Plenty of tech did not happen the first time around. VR, mobile TV, Electric Cars, Machine Learning, comes to mind.
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