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Post by grecy »

bavila wrote: post #822
bytematic wrote: post #467

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How much savings for that 5 months?

I hiked the northern half of the trail a couple years back. You should expect to spend $1,000/month at a minimum for a good experience. I spent $2,000/month and felt like I was living large. (I'd eat like a pig at every hotel/bar/restaurant I entered when arriving into a town. Most people lose weight on the trail; my weight stayed the same.) Expect your gear to cost around the same as your monthly budget.

Oh, the HN bubble.

My brother hiked the length of the AT a few years back and spent about $300/month for the 5 months it took him end to end He had a great time. Even when new his gear was less than $1000 all in, though it was all 5+ years old and very well used when he started.

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Post by joboyx »

jc_811 wrote: post #658
ajkjk wrote: post #619

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> Am I missing something? If you're making tech salaries and not spending all of it, you can easily save enough to not work for a decade in just a few years of work. Anecdotally I worked for three years at a big company and then didn't work for three years until those savings ran out, and that wasn't really even trying. Of course the calculus changes if you're married or have kids. But living in America in a cheap to…

That I can totally understand. However, if we're looking at the labor market as a whole, people making comfortable tech salaries are definitely outliers. Coupled with the fact that (anecdotally) it seems many of the people who don't want to return to their old jobs (or want to resign) are either in the service industry, or have/had lower paid entry level job salaries, I'm still stuck trying to understand how these fo…

Isn't it a norm that before you resign you already signed the job offee on yor next job? So there's no down time for you?

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Post by achillesheels »

kelnos wrote: post #870
maybelsyrup wrote: post #743

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> for those who no longer wish to work > to those who don't wish to work > those who choose not to work at all > the same for working and for doing nothing, that people choose the latter You're making my point for me with the arbeit macht frei dog-whistles here. So let me be clear: if "work" is defined as "millions of white and blue collar professional lives before Covid, lives replete with Kafka-esque meaninglessnes…

Thank you for articulating what I often have a lot of trouble figuring out how to say. Work, in general, is stupid. The entire concept of it is inane. My fantasy version of utopia is a peaceful, post-scarcity society where no one ever needs to work, and automatically gets a life of luxury simply because it's available and costs nothing. Many people will choose to fill their time with things that look a bit like what…

The liberation from material bondage is a goal for most of the world religions. Where does it begin? When people quit being vain. Therein lies the rub.

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Post by kelnos »

YarickR2 wrote: post #823
maybelsyrup wrote: post #780

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Yeah it really is hilarious in a way, because you can take many business owners' constant blathering about the so-called free market and throw it right back in their faces: "No one wants to work for poverty wages in my shitty restaurant!" Sucks bro, that's the market. Raise your wages. "If I raise my wages I can't stay in business!" Sucks bro, that's the market. Make your restaurant less shitty and get more business.…

You're in for a rudest of all awakenings. You cannot demand salary to be raised without understanding business will be looking elsewhere to fulfill business needs , and will be outsourcing actual labor. Business that can't be outsourced in such conditions (restaurants, hospitality) will be forced to shut down when outsourceable business lays out local workers and replaces them with someone half a world away.

> You cannot demand salary to be raised without understanding business will be looking elsewhere to fulfill business needs , and will be outsourcing actual labor.

Sure, but this has been happening for all of history, and the end result has been higher wages and lifting people out of poverty. We still have a long way to go, though, both locally and globally.

I just started watching Warrior, which is a TV series set in San Francisco in the 1870s. The Irish-Americans are pissed off that the fat-cat business owners have been importing much cheaper labor from China. Of course they forget that during the early periods of Irish immigration to the US, they were the ones undercutting the wages of the Anglo-Saxon incumbents. This has been the case for pretty much every wave of immigration that included a large component of low-skill workers.

This is in play all the way to modern times, without the need for immigration's effects, with the outsourcing and offshoring movements starting in the end of the last century, moving manufacturing to parts of the world with cheaper labor, and now just this year companies realizing they can employ remote knowledge workers (in the same country, even) for less than their current workforce.

This is just normal (for better or worse), and yet you act like it's an aberration that will cause the sky to fall.

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Post by TheHegemon »

adaml_623 wrote: post #225
austincheney wrote: post #158

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By tools I don’t mean your OS or IDE. I mean those things so you don’t have to write code beyond a couple of figurations or text content.

Can you give examples. I'm not clear on what you mean

Looking at the code examples they shared it seems like they are the lone-wolf sort of developer that wants to "solve problems" in code that no one else can read.

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Post by TrispusAttucks »

asdff wrote: post #639
mywittyname wrote: post #507

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Because they've never been on unemployment and small business owners largely have a poor opinion of UI in general. My MIL was laid off from a university job at the beginning of the pandemic and her UI ran out a looong time ago. The only reason she even collected it for as long as she did was because nobody is hiring elderly women.

It also doesn't help that it takes forever to get it, at least in CA. There is no one you can call at the EDD, it is so ironic that the unemployment office needs to hire more in the richest state in the richest nation on earth. It took someone I knew two months to get their EDD debit card. Bills don't stop just because you lose your job.

Call your representative.

If they are worth their salt they should be fighting for you.

Everytime my family or friends have trouble with federal or state government we contact our representative and let his office go fight on our behalf. It's part of what they're elected for. Hopefully your experience with your representative is a good one.

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Post by zamalek »

maybelsyrup wrote: post #820
taurath wrote: post #786

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Don’t get caught up in the fantasy that it’s stopped in any appreciable way. The hammer is just starting to fall as vaccination rates go up. This is the start of the first battle, not the second act.

Whether we look back at this moment as fantasy or the beginning of something truly changing won't be the result of some deterministic historical process. It's up to us. Call your congressman, your senator. Meet with coworkers and discuss this stuff. Post shit on the internet and challenge yourself and others to think differently. Go out into the world, even if individual actions are tiny or barely perceptible. The ke…

> It's up to us. [...]

And start interviewing for remote jobs, if you have the luxury to do so. Especially if you are in an industry where talent has the most bargaining power (i.e. tech). Don't tolerate this nonsense: https://www.aboutamazon.com/news/company-news/amazons-covid-...

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Post by yibg »

sfblah wrote: post #856
yibg wrote: post #741

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This is me. FIRE was one of the dreams / goals from many years ago. I'm technically able to retire now but I'm still working. A few reasons I think: 1) Sense of (in)security. There is the thought of, what if my investments lose a lot of value. What if costs suddenly go up. So the number keeps shifting up. Just another x dollars and I'll retire. 2) As I get older, the thought of retiring is also starting to lose appea…

Another thing: Work is generally how people best have the opportunity to interact with people operating at a higher degree of sophistication, and it's often where you have a chance to work with people who are smart or motivated. If you stop working, you risk losing both those networks.

Anecdotally I've observed older people around me who retire early for various reason have much earlier decline in both mental and physical health. Where as the ones that work until much older age tends to be healthier. And it does seem causal too, since the decline doesn't happen until years after retirement.

For example, many of my aunts and uncles that retired around 55 - 60 are / were having many health issues some have experienced decline in mental sharpness. Where as my grand parents who worked on the farm until into the 70s were fairly healthy until towards the end of their lives.

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Post by setgree »

grecy wrote: post #871
bavila wrote: post #822

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I hiked the northern half of the trail a couple years back. You should expect to spend $1,000/month at a minimum for a good experience. I spent $2,000/month and felt like I was living large. (I'd eat like a pig at every hotel/bar/restaurant I entered when arriving into a town. Most people lose weight on the trail; my weight stayed the same.) Expect your gear to cost around the same as your monthly budget.

Oh, the HN bubble. My brother hiked the length of the AT a few years back and spent about $300/month for the 5 months it took him end to end He had a great time. Even when new his gear was less than $1000 all in, though it was all 5+ years old and very well used when he started.

$300/month would be tough for me but maybe doable. At $10/day, you're having peanut butter, tortillas, and mashed potatoes for just about every dinner (maybe tuna and ramen sometimes?); you're only rarely staying in hotels or hostels; and if you're getting a ride somewhere, it's from a trail angel, never a taxi or a shuttle.

It's possible but I really enjoy getting into town and having a real meal. Everyone hikes their own hike.

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