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Re: 21st Century Baker's Tent

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Post by lovemenot »

jupp0r wrote: post #62
oblib wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That plastic really doesn't burn too well. It's easy to test with bit of it and a bic lighter. And I did test it a lot and read up on it.

Polyethylene is highly combustable according to the FAA https://www.fire.tc.faa.gov/pdf/05-14.pdf

According to that FAA document, PET (Polyethyleneterephthalate) is considerably less combustible than PE. This material seems to be BoPET (biaxially-oriented polyethylene terephthalate), which is aluminised PET. Presumably less flammable than PET, but not included in the FAA document.

I am not an expert, and haven't tested it.

Edit: I see now, that PE seems to be in the doorway.

Re: 21st Century Baker's Tent

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Post by frosted-flakes »

zikzak wrote: post #56
PuffinBlue wrote: post #9

That's going to be a condensation fest in there. Pretty sure The Outdoor Gear Review did a real world test of something very similar. They 'work' in that they do heat up, but they're a lot of work and get extremely sweaty when made from those non-breathable plastic survival sheets. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJwvH90g3Yw For a more in depth look at using more 'appropriate' modern materials, 'Simon, A Bloke in the…

When I was a kid we'd walk about five hours to a lake and fish there. A structure like this was there. It was just rough poles lashes to a couple of trees. You like evergreen brush on it. A tarp thrown over it keeps the rain of but breathes well. And if you like mosquitoes and black flies out is basically paradise.

I don't think anyone likes mosquitos and black flies though.

Re: 21st Century Baker's Tent

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Post by gen220 »

mrfusion wrote: post #88

At the top of my wishlist for a tent is some level of animal protection. I get unreasonably afraid of bears especially when I’m half asleep.

In case readers here are unaware, bear attacks are very rare in North America [1].

You might be more likely to die in a car accident involving a deer on the way to/from your outing, than to be killed by a bear during your outing.

Most knowledgeable folk believe that the best preventative care for bears is educated avoidance, and educating oneself on how to safely handle an encounter [3].

The takeaway from these statistics is not to say that one should be blissfully carefree. Rather, that one should be respectfully educated and pragmatic. It's their territory that we're traversing through, after all. The onus is on us.

It's good to seek mitigations, but it's not healthy to be so afraid. Education is a good antidote to fear! :)

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fatal_bear_attacks_in_...

[2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fatal_dog_attacks_in_t...

[3]: http://www.catskillmountaineer.com/animals-bears.html

Re: 21st Century Baker's Tent

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Post by hellbannedguy »

Speaking of tents.

What's America going to do with the hugh spike in homelessness we are going to see?

Personally, I feel all unused federal, state, and local land should be available for free camping. Free camping witout harassment from authorities? Maybe bring back homesteading?

Yes---there are a lot of really bad, non-livable, jobs supposedly begging for help. I don't see it in my county (Marin County).

My point is the authorities might not be successful in their anti-homeless remedies they used in the past, like that Broken Window civil rights fiasco, or plain out harrasement like they are so comfortable with, like ticketing for sleeping in a park, or loitering infractions until they move on. The Supreme Court homelessness ruling is putting a hitch their usual giddup?

I foresee a hugh spike in homelessness, and would like to see politicians talk about it.

I'm an idiot, and can see the writing on the wall. They must know what's going to happen?

We are not going to just reopen, and everything will be fine. It was pretty terrible before the pandemic.

Re: 21st Century Baker's Tent

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Post by InitialLastName »

ghaff wrote: post #43
eagsalazar2 wrote: post #40

Modern backpacking tents have achieved an exquisite pinnacle of engineering and usability perfection. I am a UX baby (constant whining about almost every tool/service/product I interact with, sorry to everyone who has to be around me) and I love my tent. It is magical the degree to which it has been thoughtfully optimized in so many little ways. DIY tents like this one are interesting and fun if you are into geeking…

Fabrics are a really underappreciated aspect of a lot of modern outdoor gear, especially with respect to weight. My main objection, as I mentioned in another comment, is that durability is one of the tradeoffs. A few years ago I had one of the super light and compact sleeping pads develop a leak after literally about three days. It was replaced for free but that didn't help at the time. I have a new very lightweight…

At my grandfather's 100th birthday a few years ago, someone asked him (a guy with a career as a computer technician that spanned the dawn of the digital age) what modern technology he would have been most impressed by when he was young.

His answer: modern synthetic fabrics. In his childhood and early adulthood, raincoats were expensive, heavy, thick rubber and still barely worked. By the time he retired, they were thin, light, entirely waterproof, durable and cheap. Along similar lines, it's hard now to imagine life without elastic in socks and underwear, not to mention shirts made of modern sweat-wicking poly-cotton blends.

Re: 21st Century Baker's Tent

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Post by rascul »

nate_meurer wrote: post #92
mrfusion wrote: post #88

At the top of my wishlist for a tent is some level of animal protection. I get unreasonably afraid of bears especially when I’m half asleep.

I wouldn't call that unreasonable, but it's not physically possible for a tent to even slow a bear down if it wants to get in. In my town, bears have gotten into houses and garages by tearing the front doors off their hinges, and by tearing through a house's siding and sheathing. I recommend car camping in bear country.

Bears can potentially open car doors.

https://www.usatoday.com/videos/news/have-you-seen/2021/05/0...

Re: 21st Century Baker's Tent

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Post by ghaff »

InitialLastName wrote: post #105
ghaff wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fabrics are a really underappreciated aspect of a lot of modern outdoor gear, especially with respect to weight. My main objection, as I mentioned in another comment, is that durability is one of the tradeoffs. A few years ago I had one of the super light and compact sleeping pads develop a leak after literally about three days. It was replaced for free but that didn't help at the time. I have a new very lightweight…

At my grandfather's 100th birthday a few years ago, someone asked him (a guy with a career as a computer technician that spanned the dawn of the digital age) what modern technology he would have been most impressed by when he was young. His answer: modern synthetic fabrics. In his childhood and early adulthood, raincoats were expensive, heavy, thick rubber and still barely worked. By the time he retired, they were th…

Even in the past 20 years or so. When I first started winter hiking the norm was full crampons and either Sorrels or full plastic boots--or nope. These days many of us use silicone-based microspikes with single-layer boots for a lot of purposes and they're fine.

Re: 21st Century Baker's Tent

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Post by mrfusion »

brailsafe wrote: post #90
mrfusion wrote: post #88

At the top of my wishlist for a tent is some level of animal protection. I get unreasonably afraid of bears especially when I’m half asleep.

I've been somewhat concerned about bears as well, though I wonder if just tying a bell to a string and around some trees would help.

I’ve thought of that but I’d have a such a panic at any false alarm. Wind, racoons, etc.

Re: 21st Century Baker's Tent

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Post by grzm »

ghaff wrote: post #107
InitialLastName wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At my grandfather's 100th birthday a few years ago, someone asked him (a guy with a career as a computer technician that spanned the dawn of the digital age) what modern technology he would have been most impressed by when he was young. His answer: modern synthetic fabrics. In his childhood and early adulthood, raincoats were expensive, heavy, thick rubber and still barely worked. By the time he retired, they were th…

Even in the past 20 years or so. When I first started winter hiking the norm was full crampons and either Sorrels or full plastic boots--or nope. These days many of us use silicone-based microspikes with single-layer boots for a lot of purposes and they're fine.

Do you have some boot recommendations or reviews you’d recommend?

Re: 21st Century Baker's Tent

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Post by muricula »

hellbannedguy wrote: post #104

Speaking of tents. What's America going to do with the hugh spike in homelessness we are going to see? Personally, I feel all unused federal, state, and local land should be available for free camping. Free camping witout harassment from authorities? Maybe bring back homesteading? Yes---there are a lot of really bad, non-livable, jobs supposedly begging for help. I don't see it in my county (Marin County). My point i…

The spike in homelessness is already here, just not in your county. Some counties deliberately force out homeless folks and push them to neighboring cities, which may be the case where you live.

Seattle saw a 6% rise last year: https://apnews.com/article/seattle-washington-coronavirus-pa... The Tenderloin, SF saw a 285% rise(!) last year: https://abc7news.com/homeless-in-san-francisco-coronavirus-s...

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