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Re: 21st Century Baker's Tent

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Post by qbasic_forever »

> All things considered this tent, at less than 3 pounds, is one the lightest 2-person, freestanding, tents around that can handle four-season conditions.

4-season tents are made to handle wind and snow accumulation, which this thing definitely would fail. It's a fun exercise for bushcrafting but don't kid yourself and think you can go 15k+ feet up a mountain and survive 50mph wind gusts like you could in a Hilleberg or other true 4 season tent.

I'm a big fan of tarps and tents with pyramid designs--the MLD trailstar is an awesome shelter that's proven itself well in windy, rainy Scottish highlands and is a favorite shelter for backpackers there: https://mountainlaureldesigns.com/product/trailstar/

Re: 21st Century Baker's Tent

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Post by e12e »

andaluz wrote: post #17
motohagiography wrote: post #8

Amazing, when you add the idea of a Swedish rocket stove ( https://hackaday.com/2021/06/01/disposable-rocket-stove-keep... ) this could make camping way more accessible. I've got some motorcycle camping planned, and own an auger for that stove purpose, but was looking for a tent, and this looks super interesting.

Better take something that could be used inside the tent and makes no smoke. So that you could make some tea or noodles while it rains outside. And no mosquitoes. Believe me, been there.

Looks like a carbon monoxide death trap if you close it up and light up inside...

Re: 21st Century Baker's Tent

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Post by colonelxc »

kag0 wrote: post #20
deleted_account wrote: post #11

It's a baker tent[1] made from SOL Emergency Blankets[2]. They get warm, but what doesn't when you have a long fire in front of you. [1] http://ruralsportsman.com/rediscover-the-baker-tent/ [2] https://www.surviveoutdoorslonger.com/survive-outdoors-longe...

The idea sounds fun, but I'm a little skeptical of the author's claims that it'll get to 80 degrees with only a small fire in front of it. It's quite possible the author and I have different ideas of what a small backpacking fire looks like.

One of the videos has a kid read off a thermometer at 79 degrees (with snow on the ground). You can judge for yourself the size of the fire in that video.

Re: 21st Century Baker's Tent

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Post by oblib »

kag0 wrote: post #20
deleted_account wrote: post #11

It's a baker tent[1] made from SOL Emergency Blankets[2]. They get warm, but what doesn't when you have a long fire in front of you. [1] http://ruralsportsman.com/rediscover-the-baker-tent/ [2] https://www.surviveoutdoorslonger.com/survive-outdoors-longe...

The idea sounds fun, but I'm a little skeptical of the author's claims that it'll get to 80 degrees with only a small fire in front of it. It's quite possible the author and I have different ideas of what a small backpacking fire looks like.

I can say without any worry of being proved wrong that it is very easy to warm that tent to 80+ degrees with even a small campfire like the one seen in the video with my grandson bouncing around inside it.

I use a layer of thicker branches about 3" in diameter first, then I use smaller diameter sticks in layers on top of that. When you light that off the smaller sticks burn down and create a bed of coals on the first layer that keep fuel burning as it's added.

By design that burns low and slow. I'm also burning deadfall from hardwoods, Oak and Hickory by choice, and because that's what's growing in our forest here.

Re: 21st Century Baker's Tent

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Post by [deleted] »

legulere wrote: post #25
jadyoyster wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not a physicist but wouldn't this reflective effect be tiny compared to the prevention of convective heat loss?

Considering average human body area is around 2 square meters and body temperature is around 37 degrees Celsius I get around 1000 W of radiation from the human body according to this calculator: http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/quantum/radfrac.h...

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Re: 21st Century Baker's Tent

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Post by robocat »

mikestew wrote: post #26
Semiapies wrote: post #19

"It's said that Henry David Thoreau lived alone in a Bakers tent on Walden Pond." Who says this? Thoreau lived in a cabin and had his mother bring him food every day.

Thoreau says this, in The Maine Woods [0]. (EDIT: Thoreau says that he lived in a tent in Maine, not at Walden Pond.) The author of TFA got it a little wrong. Note to those wanting to replicate this: I'm pretty sure Thoreau's tent catches fire at some point. I'd have to re-read to confirm or deny if it had anything to do with setting the tent in front of the fire, as the author of TFA does. [0] https://www.thoreau-on…

“A shed-shaped tent will catch and reflect the heat like a Yankee-baker, and you may be drying while you are sleeping.” Page 124: http://www.thoreau-online.org/the-maine-woods-page124.html

“ We had no sooner pitched our tent than the thunder-shower burst on us, and we hastily crept under it, drawing our bags after us, curious to see how much of a shelter our thin cotton roof was going to be in this excursion. Though the violence of the rain forced a fine shower through the cloth before it was fairly wetted and shrunk, with which we were well bedewed, we managed to keep pretty dry”. Page 99: http://www.thoreau-online.org/the-maine-woods-page99.html

“Our bed was made with as much care and skill as a roof is shingled; beginning at the foot, and laying the twig end of the cedar upward, we advanced to the head, a course at a time, thus successively covering the stub-ends, and producing a soft and level bed. For us six it was about ten feet long by six in breadth. This time we lay under our tent, having pitched it more prudently with reference to the wind and the flame, and the usual huge fire blazed in front.” Page 27: http://www.thoreau-online.org/the-maine-woods-page27.html

I didn’t find anything about a tent catching fire, but I only skim searched.

Re: 21st Century Baker's Tent

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Post by mikestew »

qbasic_forever wrote: post #31

> All things considered this tent, at less than 3 pounds, is one the lightest 2-person, freestanding, tents around that can handle four-season conditions. 4-season tents are made to handle wind and snow accumulation, which this thing definitely would fail. It's a fun exercise for bushcrafting but don't kid yourself and think you can go 15k+ feet up a mountain and survive 50mph wind gusts like you could in a Hilleberg…

One of the Hillebergs I have is four-season and weighs 3 lbs., including the poles. I can have it up in ten minutes, tops. The tent in the article might weigh 3 lbs., but that doesn't include the tree branches one is going to have to scrounge for to make tent poles. So if, as you mention, one is at 15K feet then snow accumulation is the least of one's worries if you can't find any tent poles above the tree line. :-)

I mean, it could be a cool design to play with but it has a somewhat limited range of usefulness.

Re: 21st Century Baker's Tent

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Post by eagsalazar2 »

Modern backpacking tents have achieved an exquisite pinnacle of engineering and usability perfection. I am a UX baby (constant whining about almost every tool/service/product I interact with, sorry to everyone who has to be around me) and I love my tent. It is magical the degree to which it has been thoughtfully optimized in so many little ways.

DIY tents like this one are interesting and fun if you are into geeking on that sort of thing but honestly seem like a pain to set up and likely to have severe condensation issues (as others have mentioned) but, seriously, I appreciate the geekery here, just not my focus. I prefer to invest my camping DIY geekery on bushwhacking and cooking.

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