Somebody’s still going to have to maintain no-code apps. If they do as much as current apps, they’ll be just as complicated as current tech. Seems like that maintenance role will be left to people with system design and debugging skills—i.e. software engineers.
80% of tech could be built outside IT by 2024, thanks to low-code tools
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Re: 80% of tech could be built outside IT by 2024, thanks to low-code tools
#12Whelp, time to hang up the ol’ compiler again. Jokes on the author, though. 80% of tech is already built outside of IT, then they find out they need us to clean up their mess.
Like the coding is the hard part
Re: 80% of tech could be built outside IT by 2024, thanks to low-code tools
#13100% this won’t happen, and certainly not by 2024.
By 2024, enterprises won’t even have them on their radar.
Re: 80% of tech could be built outside IT by 2024, thanks to low-code tools
#14No-code tooling or not someone still has to design the workflow. Designing a workflow requires asking good questions, which requires putting in the time with domain experts who aren't necessarily an expert in implementing a workflow with software.
You'll just get different flavors of specialists this time with newer no-code tools. IT will still probably be doing this work. Writing custom code / using generators might still be more optimal to avoid vendor lock-in that is often the revenue strategy of low-code SaaS.
Re: 80% of tech could be built outside IT by 2024, thanks to low-code tools
#15They also said we'd be living on the moon by the year 2000
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#16haha no
Re: 80% of tech could be built outside IT by 2024, thanks to low-code tools
#17So I started my career a little bit later, but one thing I enjoy is reading about old development horror stories, it seems like all of the worst ones start with either/or 'Access Database' and 'Visual Basic'. I guess my question is it seemed like the last generation of "No more developer tools" failed, because the problem in programming isn't knowing how to code, after all it seems like pretty much anyone can figure…
> what was it like in the age of MS Access, Visual Basic, and how do the new low code tools address those?
What they all have in common, in my experience, is that they make simple things very simple, but difficult things impossible. If you needed to put a form on a user's desktop and capture what they typed into it, VB was the quickest way to do that. If you wanted to make sure they only put valid dates into the date fields and numbers into the numerical fields, you could do that with a click of a button, too. If you had to do any sort of contextual validation or cross-form validation, or long-running workflow or approval or any of the sorts of value that automation actually promises, it took much, much longer to figure out how to force that square peg into that round hole. It could be done, but it was nearly impossible to test, broke for mysterious reasons under real-world conditions, and was noticeably slow (as in, go get a cup of coffee and come back slow) in use.
When I think of "no-code" tools, I think of Salesforce.com, which to me was "Visual Basic for the web". If you wanted to put up a form on a website and capture what the users typed into it, SF made that simple. But anything beyond that, you were going to spend a lot of time fighting with the undocumented parts of the system.
Re: 80% of tech could be built outside IT by 2024, thanks to low-code tools
#18No No No
There is such a thing as software literacy just as there is a thing called literacy. We spend the first 15-20 years of life teaching literacy so that a young person will be productive in life.
What makes us think it's going to be different with software?
The idea of low-code is like the idea of writing a novel by cut and pasting loads of blank comic book panels carefully crafted by Marvel Studios.
This job used to be called Analyst-Programmer - and nothing in low code will stop the analyst part from being needed. As for the programmer part, it is way way easier to express yourself in code once you can code than any of these blocky tools.
Yes we desperately need new and better tools and languages and processes and so on. But not dumbing down - skilling up
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#19They have been saying this for years. I’ll start believing it once I have been replaced by some no-code hack that graduated a 2 week boot camp in .
Anybody remember “dream weaver” for front end development? Thus was supposed to change the game, yet all we got was unmaintainable, and bloated code.
Re: 80% of tech could be built outside IT by 2024, thanks to low-code tools
#20Things change over time, including APIs. Most of these low/no-code tools offers integrations, using APIs. You'll get something setup and working and then one day it breaks, because the API for your integration changed. Now What?
Now you wait, without your no-code tool working, while someone that actually writes software gets around to fixing it for you.
We'll have 80% of solutions failing sometimes and no one can that help in a timely manner. We'll see how long these solutions last.
What if you need something the no-code tool cannot do? I've used one where you could add your own formulas, much like you can make formulas in Excel. I don't want to work in a tiny edit box to create a giant nested call in your proprietary formula language. Ever had a bunch of nested if statements in Excel? Its real joy, not.