Live data from Hacker News

Fleeing Venezuela

persuasion.community

11–20 of 37 posts

Re: Fleeing Venezuela

#11
post #9

Reminds a lot of some of the eastern European states prior to the USSR collapse, but seemingly much worse. Also the power outages mentioned - they should prove that crypto won't help...

I think that's a good takeaway. But he does mention that once he's in Columbia, he is able to convert some of his crypto into cash. So maybe storing more of his cash into crypto would have helped? But then again, he did need cash for bribes...

Re: Fleeing Venezuela

#12
post #6

Remember when everyone in Venezuela was starving and all the American Leftists were trying to defend Maduro and calling one a fascist on Twitter for criticizing Maduro’s regime?

I've probably seen half a dozen "debates" in the last year in which American Leftists were arguing with actual Venezuelans about whether the situation in Venezuela was real or Western Propaganda (TM).

And of course if you ask them for the source of their ridiculous claims they'll either link propaganda sites like Telesur or RT, or go off in rambling about how the CIA did something like that in the 60's forgetting to source anything

Re: Fleeing Venezuela

#13
post #6

Remember when everyone in Venezuela was starving and all the American Leftists were trying to defend Maduro and calling one a fascist on Twitter for criticizing Maduro’s regime?

I've probably seen half a dozen "debates" in the last year in which American Leftists were arguing with actual Venezuelans about whether the situation in Venezuela was real or Western Propaganda (TM).

I really hate grouping everyone like this. I consider myself left but you were arguing with a moron. I was under the impression in liberal democracy, even up until maybe 2015 treating an individual as an example of all individuals from that group was considered reprehensible for obvious reasons, i.e. you will end up saying racist or sexist things. The more general rule, to treat everyone on the content of their individual character, is an important one in my upbringing and I would like a return to these values. Currently everyone is being forced, on left or right, to have it assumed that they occupy absurd extremist positions. I do admit these people are on the rise, but I’m not sure inflating their importance (they are seeking attention in a lot of cases) is helping.

Re: Fleeing Venezuela

#14
post #5

This is so painful to read, Venezuela sounds like a failed state, it can’t even provide running water to its people in Ordaz. The daily human toll must be ghastly. How does a country ever get back on a positive trajectory after such a catastrophe?

I don't have the numbers, but I suspect the brain-drain is near total, and irreversible for a few generations. The last time I did a round of interviews, about two years ago with half a dozen companies in Chile, at least half of the senior engineers, and many of the hiring managers, were Venezuelan. None of my Venezuelan friends plan on going back, although they do visit, and I think would like to go back if conditio…

Not only that, it will most likely change the political map for the next 20 years in those countries, at least at the community level. If most of the refugees get voting rights (at least in Spain or Colombia where most can get the nationality through ancestry), they will NOT vote for any left leaning party that helps or validates the regime

Re: Fleeing Venezuela

#15
post #5

This is so painful to read, Venezuela sounds like a failed state, it can’t even provide running water to its people in Ordaz. The daily human toll must be ghastly. How does a country ever get back on a positive trajectory after such a catastrophe?

I don't have the numbers, but I suspect the brain-drain is near total, and irreversible for a few generations. The last time I did a round of interviews, about two years ago with half a dozen companies in Chile, at least half of the senior engineers, and many of the hiring managers, were Venezuelan. None of my Venezuelan friends plan on going back, although they do visit, and I think would like to go back if conditio…

The brain drain is real, at least in the case of the petroleum engineers. Most of them left years ago to work for Petrobras or Pemex. I have heard mexican engineers complain about venezuelans coming in and undercutting the labor market. This was 10+ years ago, after Chavez fired 80% of the engineers.

Re: Fleeing Venezuela

#16
post #11
post #9

Reminds a lot of some of the eastern European states prior to the USSR collapse, but seemingly much worse. Also the power outages mentioned - they should prove that crypto won't help...

I think that's a good takeaway. But he does mention that once he's in Columbia, he is able to convert some of his crypto into cash. So maybe storing more of his cash into crypto would have helped? But then again, he did need cash for bribes...

The amount of cash he needed to keep on hand didn't seem unreasonable. But keeping any less and he might have to walk the rest of the way. Crypto still has a long way to go to being the great, ubiquitous equalizer it was designed to be.

Re: Fleeing Venezuela

#17
post #11
post #9

Reminds a lot of some of the eastern European states prior to the USSR collapse, but seemingly much worse. Also the power outages mentioned - they should prove that crypto won't help...

I think that's a good takeaway. But he does mention that once he's in Columbia, he is able to convert some of his crypto into cash. So maybe storing more of his cash into crypto would have helped? But then again, he did need cash for bribes...

I know Colombia pretty well.

My goodness, he better not convert Bitcoin to cash there. Colombia is by no means much safer than Venezuela, ever and in particular since about 2 months.

Few people remember that not too long ago Colombians were seeking refuge in Venezuela.

He should use an online exchange if he can provide KYC. Something like in person exchange in Colombia is playing Russian/Colombian roulette.

Maybe he has family he can trust with, but yeah. In Colombia, wrong street and someone will rob you at gunpoint for a phone, even if there is not Bitcoin on it.

Re: Fleeing Venezuela

#18
post #5

This is so painful to read, Venezuela sounds like a failed state, it can’t even provide running water to its people in Ordaz. The daily human toll must be ghastly. How does a country ever get back on a positive trajectory after such a catastrophe?

I don't have the numbers, but I suspect the brain-drain is near total, and irreversible for a few generations. The last time I did a round of interviews, about two years ago with half a dozen companies in Chile, at least half of the senior engineers, and many of the hiring managers, were Venezuelan. None of my Venezuelan friends plan on going back, although they do visit, and I think would like to go back if conditio…

I visited Bogota on a visit hosted by the city's official business promotion council. The main lady running these tours was Venezuelan.

Re: Fleeing Venezuela

#19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've probably seen half a dozen "debates" in the last year in which American Leftists were arguing with actual Venezuelans about whether the situation in Venezuela was real or Western Propaganda (TM).

I really hate grouping everyone like this. I consider myself left but you were arguing with a moron. I was under the impression in liberal democracy, even up until maybe 2015 treating an individual as an example of all individuals from that group was considered reprehensible for obvious reasons, i.e. you will end up saying racist or sexist things. The more general rule, to treat everyone on the content of their indiv…

> you were arguing with a moron

I'm inclined to agree, but increasingly these "morons" are more numerous and more likely to occupy positions of power and authority.

> I was under the impression in liberal democracy even up until maybe 2015 treating an individual as an example of all individuals from that group was considered reprehensible for obvious reasons, i.e. you will end up saying racist or sexist things.

Yeah, me too.

> The more general rule I would like back because everyone is being forced on left or right have it assumed that they occupy absurd positions.

I'm having a hard time parsing this sentence, could you rephrase/clarify?

Re: Fleeing Venezuela

#20
post #6

Remember when everyone in Venezuela was starving and all the American Leftists were trying to defend Maduro and calling one a fascist on Twitter for criticizing Maduro’s regime?

In my town, the leftists still put up "Viva Chavez" banners on their balconies.
Post reply on HN