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Firefox 8 is 20% faster than Firefox 5, matches Chrome 14

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Re: Firefox 8 is 20% faster than Firefox 5, matches Chrome 14

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Chrome users in general do not use as many extensions as Firefox users, so they have less reason to worry about them breaking.

Do you have any proof of that? I'm genuinely interested.

Found this, although I don't think it's the original article I saw posted here: http://www.extremetech.com/internet/87484-85-of-firefox-user...

Re: Firefox 8 is 20% faster than Firefox 5, matches Chrome 14

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Mozilla needs to do something to de-dramatize what some people see as version inflation. A lot of people get anxious to see these very frequent bumps because major x releases are associated with add-ons not working, bloat, etc.

It's not just that. Having upgraded to 5 just a couple of weeks ago, I clicked the link wondering if this was a reprint of an Onion article.

Re: Firefox 8 is 20% faster than Firefox 5, matches Chrome 14

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What about type rendering? If FF on OSX no longer uses quartz to perform drawing operations, what implications are there for type rendering? Will OSX users be subjected to the (IMO) ravages of freetype? Or will each platform continue to use native type rasterization?

AFAIK Firefox still uses Quartz; in fact it's now supposed to be Quartzier with less Cairo overhead.

Re: Firefox 8 is 20% faster than Firefox 5, matches Chrome 14

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post #4

Mozilla needs to do something to de-dramatize what some people see as version inflation. A lot of people get anxious to see these very frequent bumps because major x releases are associated with add-ons not working, bloat, etc.

True, but on the other hand people will get used to it, just like they did with Chrome. The version number doesn't matter, all that matters is that it works. I like to see Mozilla responding. I don't know if development has speeded up, but it seems to have done. If they can keep this up without letting security slip I'll be impressed.

Most people don't use chrome—thus, most people aren't used to it.

It's good Mozilla is moving forward at a rapid pace (particularly with the memory issues), but as long as the remainder of the software world is still in either the 90's slow release cycle or the 00's everything-is-a-beta-v0.x mindset, Firefox/Chrome will be aberrations.

I may learn to tolerate it, but that doesn't mean I'll get used to it.

Re: Firefox 8 is 20% faster than Firefox 5, matches Chrome 14

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The article said the "dev" channel of Chrome, which is equivalent to Firefox's nightly build, so they are about equal. It just happens that the current nightly channel of Chrome might be released earlier.

It's not the same thing. How is Firefox 7 version called then? What about 6? Does Firefox have 4 modes instead of 3, like Chrome (dev, beta, stable)? Firefox's "dev" mode might be equivalent to "Chromium" mode for Chrome, in which case I suppose Chrome also has 4 modes, but their dev modes are still not equal to each other. The point was that Chrome 13 will become stable in 2-3 weeks from now (an Chrome 14 - beta), a…

"Modes" is perhaps not the right terminology, but the closest analogy to the Firefox nightlies is the Chrome Canary build.

Re: Firefox 8 is 20% faster than Firefox 5, matches Chrome 14

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post #50
post #21

What about type rendering? If FF on OSX no longer uses quartz to perform drawing operations, what implications are there for type rendering? Will OSX users be subjected to the (IMO) ravages of freetype? Or will each platform continue to use native type rasterization?

Could you detail what you call the "ravages of freetype"?

Diffeent platforms use different font rendering algorithms. I'll avoid saying that one is better than the other, but it's off putting to see one rendering alongside another on the same display. Apple got into trouble with this when they ported Safari to Windows, and used OS X font rendering on that platform.

Re: Firefox 8 is 20% faster than Firefox 5, matches Chrome 14

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post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The "conversation" of this thread started with someone commenting on the fact, seemingly surprised and even bothered, that we are already talking about Firefox 8 when seemingly Firefox 6 and 7 went by so quickly we didn't notice it happening. In this context, it is incredibly relevant that Firefox 6 and 7 are still being described in the future tense, as that would imply that they haven't actually been released yet.

Versions 6 and 7 haven't been released yet, but the feature sets are locked in due to the faster major version release cycle. The recently discovered memory fragmentation issues ( https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=666058 ) and more efficient garbage collection are being addressed in version 8.

The bug you linked to will be fixed in version 7, not 8.

Re: Firefox 8 is 20% faster than Firefox 5, matches Chrome 14

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This is pretty crappy. What is the rendering difference of 5 to 8? How many versions am I as a web developer going to have to support. short dev cycles and fast releases like this are stupid.

Mozilla keeps documentation of what web developers should be aware of for each major release:

https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Firefox_6_for_developers

https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Firefox_7_for_developers

Re: Firefox 8 is 20% faster than Firefox 5, matches Chrome 14

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post #34

So then Firefox will still be behind Chrome? Firefox 7 will be the one launched in the same time with Chrome 14. Chrome 14 should be stable in about 8-10 weeks. Firefox 8 won't be stable until 14-16 weeks from now. That's around the time Chrome 15 will be out.

> Chrome 14 should be stable in about 8-10 weeks. Firefox 8 won't be stable until 14-16 weeks from now. This almost-gripe is such a beautiful illustration of how far we've come in upping the pace of browser tech innovation. Thank you Mozilla (for this round).

While I agree with the general point you're making, the "thank you mozilla" should be "thank you google", since they are the ones who got mozilla to make that change.

They forced pretty much everyone in the browser area to play catch up with them to stay relevant, and the results are really awesome (and not just in release cycle speed).

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