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Re: Some Americans are breaking out of political echo chambers

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Fox New's actual news coverage is mostly truthful. But a huge amount of their airtime is opinion pieces and media personalities who spout BS all day. Tucker Carlson is probably the most notorious. Plus they have Republican politicians calling in and showing up constantly, and they're allowed to say whatever they want.

Isn't the exact same thing true of CNN and MSNBC, but just in the other direction?

I see more pushback, but also find CBS and ABC to be relatively objective.

This mapping has proven useful

https://www.adfontesmedia.com/static-mbc/

Re: Some Americans are breaking out of political echo chambers

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I thought that Dang said that posts with more comments then points were getting automatically down-ranked yet this post has 188 points and 463 comments and it is number 4 on the front page.

Also, this post has only one top level comment on the first page of comments.

Re: Some Americans are breaking out of political echo chambers

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Fox New's actual news coverage is mostly truthful. But a huge amount of their airtime is opinion pieces and media personalities who spout BS all day. Tucker Carlson is probably the most notorious. Plus they have Republican politicians calling in and showing up constantly, and they're allowed to say whatever they want.

Am I the only one who feels Tucker Carlson is so popular because he (a lot like Donald Trump) was willing to challenge the false idols of the Republican establishment (e.g. we need to be at war in Afghanistan/Iraq, the free market isn't always the best especially if it leads to outsourcing and offshoring, etc.) Might just be me. I dislike 90% of fox news but I listen to Carlson sometimes and never find him to be horr…

I pretty much only see clips of Tucker Carlson that are posted by liberals or leftists to point at and generate outrage.

To me, he seems like a whiner who disingenuously argues against things in a way to bolster conservative talking points. But, I expect the majority of this is selection bias, and only the 'worst' clips are making it into my filter bubble.

Re: Some Americans are breaking out of political echo chambers

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fox New's actual news coverage is mostly truthful. But a huge amount of their airtime is opinion pieces and media personalities who spout BS all day. Tucker Carlson is probably the most notorious. Plus they have Republican politicians calling in and showing up constantly, and they're allowed to say whatever they want.

I mean, the same is true about CNN's opinion pieces, or MSNBC's, etc, they are just on the opposite side of the spectrum.

Given the number of actual Trump staff CNN has hired and put on air, I don't think one can credibly argue that they are on the opposite end of the spectrum. As someone who generally politically identifies as "left", I can assure you we are quite frustrated with them.

MSNBC too! They may not have as many Trump folks on primetime panels, but their focus on dumb "Resistance" stuff is definitely not what the left wants at all (though liberals seem to eat it up).

Re: Some Americans are breaking out of political echo chambers

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I don't understand this fetishism with centrism and all opinions being treated equally, and that having made up your mind on an issue is necessarily wrong.

When it comes to an issue like, say, climate change, I spent years reading the blogosphere, reading blogs like WUWT and whatever Judith Curry would come up with, and then the rebuttals, sometimes waiting years for the science to come out.

For any issue around climate science, there's probably a web page on it at skeptical sicence. I've probably skimmed at least half the papers on that webpage. After many years of that (I'm a veteran of the mid-2000s global "pause" debate) I've made up my mind.

The idea that having made my mind is a horrible thing, is just a tactic to try to creates wedges of doubt to try to keep a zombie political idea going. One side is getting very desperate because of how incredibly wrong they've consistently been.

And implicitly I bet it isn't Fox News viewers that you see starting to listen to NPR (although I'm certainly they'll pick out some individuals that do) it is predominantly working to get the open-minded-liberal crowd and Joe Rogan viewers to spend some time letting Fox News pour information into their head in the name of being better informed about both sides.

Some news really is equivalent to trans fats and highly refined sugars for the brain. Trying to achieve "balance" there isn't actually healthy. Some of it is just bad. And the two outcomes are either that you're going to get sucked in (and not even realize it) or that you're just going to get angry at it.

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> I would be shocked if 60+% of American film characters are identifiably Christian How often do you see Christmas used as a plot device? Or a church used as a setting? Or a priest character? I would be shocked if context didn't imply that > 95% of American film characters are Christian.

Christmas doesn’t signify religion in America. And I can’t remember the last time I saw church in a movie that wasn’t a comedy using the setting for a set-up

American Christmas is a capitalist holiday with christian roots. Christian Christmas is a christian holiday with pagan roots.

Re: Some Americans are breaking out of political echo chambers

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> The problem of course is that not every issue needs a "both sides" treatment. Exactly. Imagine saying that it's important to be able to make an impassioned argument for slavery? To make it contemporary: Should I be trying to get into the mind of a Q Conspiracy theorist? An Antivaxer? How many conspiracies do I need delve into and understand such that I can make a passionate argument for them?

> To make it contemporary: Should I be trying to get into the mind of a Q Conspiracy theorist? An Antivaxer? How many conspiracies do I need delve into and understand such that I can make a passionate argument for them? Yes and it's disturbing that you (and many others) have no interest in understanding other people.

>Yes and it's disturbing that you (and many others) have no interest in understanding other people.

There's an infinite number of ways you can be wrong; it isn't on everyone to hermetically disprove all wrongs to meaningfully participate in civil society in good faith.

It isn't disturbing for people to want to focus on real issues rather than discussing whether or not the president is farming baby blood to enact a global immortal one government future.

Re: Some Americans are breaking out of political echo chambers

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fox New's actual news coverage is mostly truthful. But a huge amount of their airtime is opinion pieces and media personalities who spout BS all day. Tucker Carlson is probably the most notorious. Plus they have Republican politicians calling in and showing up constantly, and they're allowed to say whatever they want.

Does anyone watch TV anymore? I read Fox News online, which is fine, but I don’t think I’ve ever tuned into shows. My parents have CNN on a loop, and even my dad (a die-hard Carter fan) calls it “DNC talking points.”

I think a lot of voters are older, and still inclined to get their news from TV.

https://www.politico.com/blogs/on-media/2017/01/study-fox-ne...

Re: Some Americans are breaking out of political echo chambers

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post #475

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fox New's actual news coverage is mostly truthful. But a huge amount of their airtime is opinion pieces and media personalities who spout BS all day. Tucker Carlson is probably the most notorious. Plus they have Republican politicians calling in and showing up constantly, and they're allowed to say whatever they want.

Isn't the exact same thing true of CNN and MSNBC, but just in the other direction?

CNN has gone so far downhill imo due to this. In the past five years I've seen a shrinking gap between news and opinion, where articles w/o the label are very clearly editorialized. It lowers the quality of the product and at least for me, I no longer read it as much.

That said, journalists are just humans so it's a difficult problem, especially in the heightened political climate we've had.

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