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Re: Some Americans are breaking out of political echo chambers

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Post by pmoriarty »

rootusrootus wrote: post #238
whimsicalism wrote: post #203

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Interesting. Where exactly was this? I grew up in a major Jewish population center in the United States, most jews did not celebrate christmas outside of the ceremonial going out for chinese food. Muslim students also did not celebrate xmas. This is an urban center on the east coast.

> ceremonial going out for chinese food Wait, what, this is a thing? I'd never heard of that. Like, only the Jews would do it? Or more generally it's common for everyone to go out for Chinese food on Christmas? That has to be regional, if it's true. Kinda funny either way.

In the US most restaurants close on Christmas, with Chinese and other Asian restaurants often being the only ones open. So if you want to go out to a restaurant to celebrate there usually isn't much choice.

I'm sure if more restaurants were open people would be celebrating at all sorts of other restaurants as well.

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Post by ErikVandeWater »

crazygringo wrote: post #111
vsskanth wrote: post #8

I tried this experiment: read nytimes, wapo, fox, national review and politico. I wanted to get different perspectives. However, I encountered a bunch of issues: They dont talk about or even cover the same things, which makes it hard to compare liberal vs conservative perspectives. This is the most common form of bias I've come across. In the rare case they do cover the same thing, many articles either simply do not…

I highly recommend the Economist . Their articles mostly follow a dialectical format -- thesis, antithesis, synthesis, with about a third of the article spent on each one. I don't know of any other publication whose house style is so rigorous in this. It's also highly editorialized, but very open and transparent about the positions it takes -- any bias they have is in the open, but is in the final synthesis after the…

I was listening to all of The Economist's podcasts on Spotify until recently. I found their bias grew and grew over time until it was just too annoying to listen. I think they realized their target market was yuppie (lean strongly left) and made the (correct) business decision to cater to them exclusively.

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Post by JAlexoid »

sudosysgen wrote: post #311
vincent-toups wrote: post #239

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The Economist certainly doesn't break down easily on the American political spectrum, but in the more coherent language of higher level policy, the Economist is almost 100% liberal. I agree its a well put together publication, but a socialist (for instance) would argue it is deeply ideological.

Well, it is deeply ideological. But if we're being honest, everything is. The Economist is fine to read as long as you really deeply understand it's ideology.

The Economist doesn't hide their ideology and advocacy.

Unlike many "well renowned sources" (ahem... NYT)

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Post by [deleted] »

whimsicalism wrote: post #189
AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote: post #175

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Eh, not really. Christmas may have been a product of Christianity (hijacking a pagan holiday...), but it has long since become just a western culture tradition with no particular religious significance for a lot of people. Most Christmas movies don't even mention Christ.

> it has long since become just a western culture tradition with no particular religious significance for a lot of people I think that people have a tendency to underestimate the degree of Christian influence on their way of life, and the vast majority of people who practice xmas are Christian, even if they are not weekly church attendees. I was raised in an atheist household, we definitely viewed Christmas as a reli…

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Post by adolph »

antiterra wrote: post #184
slumdev wrote: post #89

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Running a gay bar in New York City wasn't illegal in 1969. The Stonewall Inn was effectively a brothel with mafia protection, not a gay version of Cheers.

Homosexual behavior was branded disorderly conduct and liquor licenses were revoked as a consequence. So yes, it was effectively illegal if you didn’t bribe the cops. People were arrested because the police didn’t consider their genitals to match their clothes. Drug deals and transactions for sex occurred at Stonewall just as they have occurred on Discord, but I’ve not seen any credible evidence that it was a primary…

> Spanish allied with the Aztecs to eliminate groups that didn’t have human sacrifice

As far as I can recall the Spanish did not ally with the Aztecs but conquered the leading faction of the Aztecs through an alliance with rival factions and effects of smallpox.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aztec_Empire

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Post by ghostpepper »

pmoriarty wrote: post #361
throwawayboise wrote: post #350

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I mean, the same is true about CNN's opinion pieces, or MSNBC's, etc, they are just on the opposite side of the spectrum.

CNN and MSNBC are not the opposite of Fox News. The opposite would be something like The Nation or Democracy Now! .

What would be the opposite of MSNBC? Or the NYTimes for that matter?

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Post by throwaway894345 »

dandellion wrote: post #86
nkingsy wrote: post #64

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American media is a global industry and is serving a customer base of much more than the US population.

As a non-american, american media does a terrible job of representing anything outside america, so if that's the reason I would really appreciate if they could stop it...

I thought Black Panther's portrayal of Wakanda was pretty accurate...

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Post by JAlexoid »

whimsicalism wrote: post #166
crazygringo wrote: post #111

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I highly recommend the Economist . Their articles mostly follow a dialectical format -- thesis, antithesis, synthesis, with about a third of the article spent on each one. I don't know of any other publication whose house style is so rigorous in this. It's also highly editorialized, but very open and transparent about the positions it takes -- any bias they have is in the open, but is in the final synthesis after the…

The Economist skews conservative in the sense that it is who I wish the conservatives were.

They're not.

To the point that they had a whole issue dedicated to the death of modern conservativism and how their editorial policy is classic liberal.

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Post by wincy »

coding123 wrote: post #99
dandellion wrote: post #86

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As a non-american, american media does a terrible job of representing anything outside america, so if that's the reason I would really appreciate if they could stop it...

What are you talking about - We have tons of coverage of the following countries in our movies: Genovia, Aldovia AND Belgravia

Wakanda looks so nice people were trying to book vacations to go visit!

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Post by no-dr-onboard »

apocolyps6 wrote: post #221
elefanten wrote: post #135

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Christmas doesn’t signify religion in America. And I can’t remember the last time I saw church in a movie that wasn’t a comedy using the setting for a set-up

Do your Muslim friends celebrate Christmas? Do your Jewish friends? Most non-religious americans are something like Christian Atheists. They don't believe in a god, but their worldview, ethics, and cultural norms are still originating in Christianity.

I watched a Christian apologist recently who said basically this.

He was debating a $social-leftist and basically said:

>You say you're not religious, but the things you hold as value, the trappings of your ethics, and your decision making process seems to be more aligned with judeo-christianity than your self-proclaimed naturalist atheism"

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