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Re: Last remaining 1000+ user community channel seized by Freenode staff

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Freenode: Current global users 49980 Libera: Current global users 32769 Freenode's decline in users over the past month: http://www.hinner.com/ircstat/Socip_F_2.gif Comparison showing Freenode decline and Libera rise: https://netsplit.de/networks/top10.php Probably won't be long before Freenode is effectively dead. Edit: Also see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27502059 for a projection and more stats.

So what’s odd to me is how high freenode’s numbers still are. That’s a lot of people. If all the major FOSS projects have moved on, and with all the bad press, how is it there are still so many people on it? What channels are they on? Is their death greatly exaggerated?

If you look at the amount of actual chat, it's already far below Libera.

What this means is that probably most of the users left are either bouncers or lurkers that just haven't disconnected yet. However, this is speculation on my part.

Re: Last remaining 1000+ user community channel seized by Freenode staff

#152
post #113

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Interesting. So how much did Lee pay for Freenode? Did that all go to Christel Dahlskjaer?

As I understand it, Lee paid for the domain name and generously donated hosting -- and had done for years. Thus, he had keys to the house, and when he decided that he owned it, nobody could stop him short of a court injunction. But apparently there was no clear legal agreement, so nothing can be done.

From the Arstechnica article:

In 2017, Christel Dahlskjaer—who was, at the time, head of Freenode staff—created a corporation, Freenode Ltd., which she immediately sold to Lee.

Sounds like some money exchanged hands.

Re: Last remaining 1000+ user community channel seized by Freenode staff

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So what’s odd to me is how high freenode’s numbers still are. That’s a lot of people. If all the major FOSS projects have moved on, and with all the bad press, how is it there are still so many people on it? What channels are they on? Is their death greatly exaggerated?

If you look at the amount of actual chat, it's already far below Libera. What this means is that probably most of the users left are either bouncers or lurkers that just haven't disconnected yet. However, this is speculation on my part.

It's probably this. I haven't completely migrated my bouncer, either.

Re: Last remaining 1000+ user community channel seized by Freenode staff

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As a flourishing community of the interwebs maybe, just maybe. IRC as a tool is certainly not dead. Former IRCOP.

How does IRC work on mobile these days? Last time I used IRC seriously, I had to get off the train because I was chatting more on mobile than not and the mobile clients were basically un-serviceable (IIRC, protocol is too chatty and stateful for reliable connection on a device continuously changing its physical network connection).

I run a web based bouncer on my cluster and VPN into its interface on mobile devices.

Re: Last remaining 1000+ user community channel seized by Freenode staff

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post #63
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Can someone provide some background? What started this?

TLDR Bullet Point version. * Founder lilo/Rob died. * Christel became new head of staff. * Christel "sold" Freenode to Andrew Lee (of which was not hers to sell) and never told the rest of Freenode staff the terms. * Lee decided to assert himself by claiming he owned all of Freenode and that the staff had to hand over the keys to the kingdom to him. * Staff resisted, Lee used threats. Staff decided it was better to m…

Is it known how much money Christel got?

Re: Last remaining 1000+ user community channel seized by Freenode staff

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the classic reddit debate, are Moderators Janitors or leaders... I have always said they should be viewed as content janitors but many many many (most) moderators disagree and take the limited power they have way to seriously

Which makes them that much more apoplectic when Reddit walks in and takes their communities/powers away with no recourse.

I wonder how much annual salary they lost when Reddit takes their subreddit away.

Re: Last remaining 1000+ user community channel seized by Freenode staff

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As a flourishing community of the interwebs maybe, just maybe. IRC as a tool is certainly not dead. Former IRCOP.

How does IRC work on mobile these days? Last time I used IRC seriously, I had to get off the train because I was chatting more on mobile than not and the mobile clients were basically un-serviceable (IIRC, protocol is too chatty and stateful for reliable connection on a device continuously changing its physical network connection).

I find The Lounge to be fine for me on desktop and mobile. Also you can leave it connected, potentially eliminating the need for a bouncer.

https://thelounge.chat/

Re: Last remaining 1000+ user community channel seized by Freenode staff

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post #125

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Once they've burnt it to the ground, they'll have a blank slate. It looks like they're trying to make a job board for channers…? It might work; I'm confused enough to think I'm missing something. If others feel that same confusion, Lee's Freenode might be able to get some venture capital.

> job board for channers I'd have thought real names and chan culture's extreme NSFWness would get on incredibly badly.

Channers and leaving NEETdom the normal way? Yes. Channers hiring other channers? That’s called company culture. The customers in the latter scenario are either also channers who appreciate the toxicity or the company makes the software equivalent of ball bearings and does not have enough public presence for consumer boycotts to have any effect.

Re: Last remaining 1000+ user community channel seized by Freenode staff

#159
post #80

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Holy shit. This is crazy if it's true. > For example, he told-LTM employees that he wanted to hire a female candidate simply because he wanted to have sex with her. Similarly, Lee expressed his desire to set up a "modeling agency" in the Hollywood Hills that would actually be a front for illegal prostitution (i.e., the "models" would be paid escorts). To that end, Lee circulated a memo to male LTM executives advising…

It gets so much trashier shortly after that segment. > Making matters worse, Lee also had an ongoing relationship with a mistress that he brought to company functions and the LTM offices, despite people knowing that he was married. Lee met his mistress through a company offering female companionship for money. Lee abandoned his wife and newborn child to spend time with this woman, and their relationship was toxic. Hi…

This is more entertaining than anything hollywood has put out in awhilw.

Re: Last remaining 1000+ user community channel seized by Freenode staff

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is it really any different than say.. Discord? or a subreddit? it always stuck me as amazing in how much autonomy IRC channels tend to have on various servers, especially as the internet has changed in the past 20 years. Between mobs wanting "accountability" for speech they don't like, the increases in liability, the MSM targeting any platform that has any free speech or autonomy to it (be it Substack, podcasts, E2EE…

the classic reddit debate, are Moderators Janitors or leaders... I have always said they should be viewed as content janitors but many many many (most) moderators disagree and take the limited power they have way to seriously

the term "moderator" clearly suggests that they are there to moderate the conversation. otherwise they would be called "leaders."
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