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Post by rubicon33 »

aurelianito wrote: post #425
mandelbrotwurst wrote: post #412

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Out of curiosity, where are you located?

Not the original commenter, but this is the situation in Argentina. I would love to do a remote gig and get 100k a year. I am a programmer with over 20 years of experience and I can program professionally in over 10 different programming languages.

It is worth noting that software salaries are artificially inflated HEAVILY due to a general unwillingness or lack of interest in hiring overseas developers.

The second this changes, the bottom drops out of software.

I don't know if it will ever happen that big companies begin openly accepting overseas applicants but if/when it does, you can expect that it wont be for 100k. Suddenly when you consider the entire planet, there's no longer a shortage of developers, and the employer has all the power.

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Post by lotsofpulp »

Grim-444 wrote: post #436
PragmaticPulp wrote: post #162

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This is the real question. How many people are never actually considering leaving their job if another better opportunity comes along? The journalists asked a loaded question to exaggerate the idea that employees are ready to quit in droves because they don’t want to go back to the office or something. In reality many people are always looking for the next step in their career. There was a similarly hyperbolic headli…

The next step is to ask yourself -why- journalists are asking loaded questions and pushing certain narratives. I don't believe it's coincidence, or just that they're just not very good at their jobs. There's economic, political, and social power to be gained for them and their ideology if they push these narratives.

Or they need to land clicks to put food on the table. Which individual journalists would you qualify as having economic, political, and social power?

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Post by TameAntelope »

austincheney wrote: post #414
TameAntelope wrote: post #264

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Regarding your second point, I think it's good to know what interests you, but there's a lot of quality ideas out there that don't have hard tech components, and if they invent hard tech problems to keep their engineers interested, they're probably not going to last very long. IMHO, the "all JavaScript tech stack, connected together by a cloud provider via tooling" pattern is probably among the faster ways to get an…

The business should be inventing the problems, because that is (hopefully) driving the revenue that keeps you employed. Usually the business has all kinds of wonderful ideas of which some are practical and vetted while others are a distraction. If you are thinking in terms of automation, internal training, and service fulfillment you probably aren't properly aligning solutions to expense reduction. The benefit of wri…

For me, there's this fire of urgency that makes it feel appropriate to make some long term bad tech choices if it helps me get customer feedback/iterate in the nearer term.

Honestly, as long as the tech doesn't fall over at 3am and generally lets me know when it's unhealthy, I'm just trying to grow enough to hire people who know more about making good long term tech choices than I do...

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Post by busterarm »

IntelMiner wrote: post #259
deanclatworthy wrote: post #213

Listen, I am completely on board with giving employees the right to choose the remote situation - but don't be surprised when you're competing against people from all over the globe, who will probably take a lower salary than you, who probably aren't entitled as you, and will bite at the opportunity. Furthermore, what are employers meant to do with their workplaces when employees are half-in, half-out with the office…

I'd be quite happy with a "remote work abroad" situation. I live in Australia and prefer being a night owl. I'd love to do Sysadmin work for a US or even EU company because it matches my natural schedule preference It's probably impractical though with regard to payroll, taxes etc but the dream is nice

It's not as hard as you think. Most companies doing this use a co-employment scheme where a local company (PEO) handles all of your payroll (in exchange for about 20% of salary).

JustWorks is one of the big PEOs for US employees. I'm not sure who is most popular in your region though.

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Post by commandlinefan »

martin_a wrote: post #450
CoastalCoder wrote: post #346

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> more open-minded culture Could you expand on this a bit? I've only worked in the U.S., so most of what I "know" about working in Germany is based on stereotypes. I'd love to hear your first-hand perspective.

Hm, maybe that's not specific to Germany, but in this company there are lots of people who think something like this: - Totally not my problem, see how you figure it out for yourself - We've never done it that way - We've always done it this way - Don't look left and right while doing your work - I don't want to improve but I don't like where you are - If you're not physically at work you can't be working at all I th…

> If you're not physically at work you can't be working at all

Isn't that a deliberate choice as a way to put an end to the scourge of unpaid overtime?

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Post by ggggtez »

screye wrote: post #263

> Surveys show anywhere from 25% to upwards of 40% of workers are thinking about quitting their jobs. This number is meaningless without previous year trends. In my circles, everyone from 25-35 is simultaneously preparing to FIRE and no-one that's 35+ has actually changed jobs despite being 'financially independent'. Expressing intent to resign, and actually resigning are completely different things. (edit: to clarif…

Agree with the "miserable" comment.

Dissatisfaction will cause people to move around in the market. I don't know how much I buy the argument that people are looking for WFH, more than that they are looking to not work in a service industry which has low benefits low pay, and no chance of upward mobility.

The pandemic is giving people a chance to realize their career has stalled. I think everyone already knew that the US healthcare system was broken, but maybe people are realizing changing careers is the only way out of that bind.

Tech workers would be fine under any situation, so I don't think it's right to compare your FIRE friends with a cruise ship waiter.

It's important to note that tech workers make up no where close to 40% of all workers, and that most of the people discussed here are lower class seeking upward mobility. Being miserable is just the catalyst for seeking a way out of their situation.

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Post by rexarex »

throwaway0a5e wrote: post #30
dreen wrote: post #7

Im quitting and not looking for another job. Gonna use the savings to take a gap year, or a couple, work on some stuff I want maybe. Maybe more involvement in OSS is coming too? I've never had a gap year, it was all school, then immigration, work, university, more work. Any holiday time you fly back home. I kept hearing its not unusual for people in the west to take gap years, so thats what Im doing. edit: thank you…

>I kept hearing its not unusual for people in the west to take gap years, so thats what Im doing. You hear a heck of a lot more about it on HN than happens in reality. Maybe I don't hang out with the trust fund crowd enough but I don't know ANYONE who's taken a "gap year" where they weren't doing something for ~40hr/wk in order to make a buck. I know a few people who didn't jump right into career stuff after college…

I did a gap year at 25 and I only had 20k in savings and I traveled all over SE Asia and East Africa on that. Was a blast.

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Post by mLuby »

CoastalCoder wrote: post #371
mLuby wrote: post #303

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> flexible work policy To me at least, the vagueness of this phrase has made it untrustworthy. It can mean way too many different things. > with only your manager's approval I'd hope we're beyond tying your (and your family's) physical location to your boss's whim.

> To me at least, the vagueness of this phrase has made it untrustworthy. Perhaps that was the GP's choice of wording, to keep the comment brief?

That could be—I've heard businesses talk about their "flexible work policies" too.
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