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Re: How much damage have my colleagues and I done?

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Why are schools adjudicating this? Shouldn’t the court system and police investigations?

Because in 2017, the Office for Civil Rights at the US Department of Education issued a guidance letter requiring all colleges and universities that accept federal funding (i.e. most US colleges and universities) to adjudicate sexual assault cases under a low standard of proof: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/201...

Re: How much damage have my colleagues and I done?

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It reminds me of that documentary "The Red Pill" in which an ex-feminist turned into a Men Right's activist after looking at the data. It's good sign that someone on the school side recognise the damage happening. Still, she holds ridiculous beliefs that make me think the problem will never be solved by schools who have staff that is uniquely biased in one direction and can't even realise their bias. How can you even…

Yes, the problem is that on the far past, "believe the man" was the unwritten rule, and instead of just abolishing it, people decided that to correct that we should move to a explicit "believe the woman". It is just another instance of our tendency as a society of over-correcting on sensitive and politically charged issues. Maybe this is a cultural artifact of our heritage of abrahamic religions. Probably this is not…

> Yes, the problem is that on the far past, "believe the man" was the unwritten rule, and instead of just abolishing it, people decided that to correct that we should move to a explicit "believe the woman".

To the extent that that relates to a real problem the problem is that when things become slogans detached from context, they tend to lose critical parts of their meaning.

“Believe women” does not mean “uncritically accept as absolutely true what women say without further investigation of facts”, but to treat women’s accusations as serious and not make sexist assumptions about the probability that an accusation is false because of its nature at the outset.

(In part, the is a reactive effect wherein criticism directed at a deliberate strawman interpretation has, through the forces of oppositional tribal identities, actually generated support for what was initially a strawman in the tribe opposite to the one deploying the strawman.)

Re: How much damage have my colleagues and I done?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, the problem is that on the far past, "believe the man" was the unwritten rule, and instead of just abolishing it, people decided that to correct that we should move to a explicit "believe the woman". It is just another instance of our tendency as a society of over-correcting on sensitive and politically charged issues. Maybe this is a cultural artifact of our heritage of abrahamic religions. Probably this is not…

> Yes, the problem is that on the far past, "believe the man" was the unwritten rule That seems disingenuous at best. The US system of justice is based on assuming innocence until guilt is proven. That favors anyone who has been accused of anything. Flipping the assumption in only the case where a woman accuses a man undermines the entire system.

> The US system of justice is based on assuming innocence until guilt is proven.

The US system of criminal justice is based on a strong presumption of innocence in court (and the civil system has a much weaker presumption), but those presumption are not intended to apply thr same way to the people who investigate crimes or to institutions who perform non-criminal, including investigatory, functions.

If you apply a strong presumption of innocence to the investigative function, you never investigate and never find evidence.

Re: How much damage have my colleagues and I done?

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Capitalism is on its last legs so it is doing whatever it can to sow divisions. That's what this "overcorrection" is about: taking justified grievances and real social problems (e.g., campus rape, racial injustice) and turning them into political wedges that turn working people against each other. Concern for the actual victims of injustice gets lost in the mudslinging. The "Red" flavor is Trumpism (braindead white r…

I pretty much agree with you, but not because I think that "capitalism" is a thing with agency, or its agents are pursuing this as an explicit strategy. I think unrestrained capitalism progressively optimizes away people's options and choices--the means by which people find identity, fulfilment and meaning. It slowly reduces human meaning and purpose to "net present value".

People who are denied good options will get very creative and specialized in their search for personal meaning, and they aren't going to be fair and balanced in the process.

I like capitalism very much, as a practical economic mechanism. I don't much like it as a governing principle or absolute virtue.

Re: How much damage have my colleagues and I done?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ublock Origin + pausing JS (they reset scrolling) does the trick I agree, it would be nice to have micropayments. At the same time, if they want to be indexed (which increases their reach) they need to publish the entire article and then try to trick people in the browser with JS.

Thanks for the reply, but you're assuming I know something about using the web console. I effectively know nothing about web technologies. And to be honest, while it would be nice to know about such things, I really don't have the time to start learning about them. I have no intrinsic interest in them, and the benefits would be minimal. I have other things to stretch me, other things that I want to learn, and other t…

Any browser or extension that has a block javascript button does the trick. It's a nice one click button to have at hand.

Despite some uproar, Brave is still probably the best "it just works" script+cookie+ad blocking browser. Click the shield, click off scripts. There are many less dials to tweak, less things to go wrong or interact poorly than with uBlock/NoScript.

Re: How much damage have my colleagues and I done?

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It reminds me of that documentary "The Red Pill" in which an ex-feminist turned into a Men Right's activist after looking at the data. It's good sign that someone on the school side recognise the damage happening. Still, she holds ridiculous beliefs that make me think the problem will never be solved by schools who have staff that is uniquely biased in one direction and can't even realise their bias. How can you even…

Yes, the problem is that on the far past, "believe the man" was the unwritten rule, and instead of just abolishing it, people decided that to correct that we should move to a explicit "believe the woman". It is just another instance of our tendency as a society of over-correcting on sensitive and politically charged issues. Maybe this is a cultural artifact of our heritage of abrahamic religions. Probably this is not…

Pendulums don't just swing to the center and stay there.

It can take a bit of back and forth before the middle ground is reached.

Re: How much damage have my colleagues and I done?

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Well, in 90% of the cases, outline.com helps. I am actually astonished that it isn't more well known. https://outline.com/7rk42F

Sometimes hitting ctrl A, then ctrl x then pasting to a word doc will do the trick too
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