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Playing the piano taught me math (2016)

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Re: Playing the piano taught me math (2016)

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> When all my first-grade classmates were memorizing math facts like “2 + 3 = 5” > I was called out during class when my teacher saw me fiddling with my fingers during a classroom exercise From their LinkedIn profile, it appears that the author went to school in the US. I'm not from the US, but my impression of US schools is the complete opposite of one where students are taught to "memorize math facts" or one where…

I remember having some issues the year when I switched schools and states in 3rd or 4th grade (not sure exactly). The school district we moved to had kids memorizing all their multiplication tables and would do 2 min tests to ensure they were memorized and not thought about. I did terribly on these tests because I had not memorized them the year or a half year before like the other kids since I was at a different school. My mother got upset that I was being failed in math because she knew I was good at math. So she took me with her to parent-teacher day made me do double-digit multiplication in my head in front of my teacher. This was something no other kid in my class could do and made it apparent to my teacher that I should not be failing math.

As an adult, I have mixed feelings about this experience. My mother used to brag about this she had me do it in front of her friends, other parents with kids my age. I distinctly remember during this in a Perkins while trying to enjoy my breakfast. For me, this was simply a trick involving a larger “working memory” as opposed to “rote memory”. Being that it was still a matter of being a “trick” that required practice albeit a different kind of practice it becomes something I thought of as a trained monkey scenario.

This has come up a lot I’m my life. I worked in construction for a while out of high school and my boss would treat me this way as well. He would have me be his human calculator to help him figure out measurements. One time this was going on in a complicated octagonal room where we were trying to lay out brackets for a projection screen. He asked me to run some numbers for him and I refused. I did this because I understood what he thought he was doing but knew that his method was flawed. So I refused to give him the wrong answer, even though it was the right answer to the numbers he gave me. It caused I really big fight where he began talking down to me and tried to put me in my place.

Another Forman was there who witnessed the whole thing and I ended up doing a job with that other guy like 6 months later, but he had not forgotten the incident. He brought it up and gave me a long speech about how I should have just given my boss what he asked for instead of the correct measurements. Something I, to this day, steadfastly disagree with. Fast forward a year or two and my boss was fired due to his incompetence in measuring and ordering the materials that cost the company many tens of thousands of dollars.

Intelligence and thinking skills, in general, are practiced and exercised. However, they are not trained-monkey tricks. It is a method of living well and garnering fullness from life. And to no other end is it acceptable to waste such a thing.

Re: Playing the piano taught me math (2016)

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> When all my first-grade classmates were memorizing math facts like “2 + 3 = 5” > I was called out during class when my teacher saw me fiddling with my fingers during a classroom exercise From their LinkedIn profile, it appears that the author went to school in the US. I'm not from the US, but my impression of US schools is the complete opposite of one where students are taught to "memorize math facts" or one where…

It's because he's hyperbolizing.

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> When all my first-grade classmates were memorizing math facts like “2 + 3 = 5” > I was called out during class when my teacher saw me fiddling with my fingers during a classroom exercise From their LinkedIn profile, it appears that the author went to school in the US. I'm not from the US, but my impression of US schools is the complete opposite of one where students are taught to "memorize math facts" or one where…

Music...where 3 + 3 = 5. Ie c to e is a third, and e to g is a third, but c to g is a fifth.

Scale degrees are 1-indexed. Unison is the "first" when it should be zeroth if you want to add indices like that.

(3-1) + (3-1) = (5-1)

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I've been looking at music over the last year or so, bits of basic music theory. As a child I had no idea how linked to maths it was, and how much easier music is once you realise that it's just applied mathematics and touch typing

My music theory teacher used to say that that music is the only art that's also a science. I think this headline should not be surprising to anyone who reads music.

I see philology/linguistics as quite science-y too. You can argue that's just the building blocks of the art (literature), but so is the science-y side of music (which we call "musical language" in Spanish conservatories, see the parallel?) and mostly deals with "syntax" and historical accidents inherited from the western Common Practice Period.

The artsy side of music is very much un-sciency and mostly rationalized post-hoc.

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I like learning of people's mnemonic sequences. Really nice how TFA was able to adapt their strategy to new, previously unencountered ideas like negative, hexadecimal. I'd truly like to know how Von Neumann remembered everything.

> I'd truly like to know how Von Neumann remembered everything.

I've been hearing claims of von Neumann's perfect memory for a long time on HN, but I've been unable to find primary sources to back them except for a single quotation by Herman Goldstine. Could the claim of "perfect memory" have been an exaggeration?

Surely von Neumann had an exceptional memory, but truly remembering everything is extremely rare (some say impossible). If he did, I imagine that the psychologists at Princeton or the IAS would have caught wind of the mathematician with a perfect memory and wouldn't have missed a chance to examine him; all the more so since "true photographic memory has never been demonstrated to exist" [1].

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eidetic_memory

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It taught the author to count, which is just a subset of math, though a lot of people might not care about the difference.

I first thought the exact same thing as you. But this argument stretched to it's conclusion means no one know maths. Which very well might be your point. But then it loses any useful meaning. Even professional mathematicians are specialized in a small sub field of mathematics and there are huge parts they don't really know.

Re: Playing the piano taught me math (2016)

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> When all my first-grade classmates were memorizing math facts like “2 + 3 = 5” > I was called out during class when my teacher saw me fiddling with my fingers during a classroom exercise From their LinkedIn profile, it appears that the author went to school in the US. I'm not from the US, but my impression of US schools is the complete opposite of one where students are taught to "memorize math facts" or one where…

Music...where 3 + 3 = 5. Ie c to e is a third, and e to g is a third, but c to g is a fifth.

Or where 2^7 = 1.5^12.

Not really as most professional musicians understand the problem, but it shows that no instrument can be “perfectly” tuned.

Re: Playing the piano taught me math (2016)

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This reminds me of how I became a better guitar player by learning piano. I had been playing guitar (classical & metal mostly) for about 15 years before learning piano. Upon learning some basic piano, I found the guitar fretboard came alive in entirely new ways. I believe this to be a result of the piano keyboard having a visually clear and uniform organization of notes, enabling me to "see" how music theory operated in a more visceral way.

Re: Playing the piano taught me math (2016)

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This reminds me of how I became a better guitar player by learning piano. I had been playing guitar (classical & metal mostly) for about 15 years before learning piano. Upon learning some basic piano, I found the guitar fretboard came alive in entirely new ways. I believe this to be a result of the piano keyboard having a visually clear and uniform organization of notes, enabling me to "see" how music theory operated…

Interesting because this idea touches on a few things: 1) Effective data visualization is extremely beneficial for the learning process; 2) Combining sensory experiences together enhance learning process;

For instance, on piano you can see AND hear the intervals on a scale.

Strangely though, outside of elementary school there’s less emphasis on tactile learning—and no football is not the same thing. Art teaches the mind how to think outside the box and in creative ways. It also taps into the subconscious and allows us to learn and communicate better.

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