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Re: Last remaining 1000+ user community channel seized by Freenode staff

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Post by syshum »

_fat_santa wrote: post #26
blakesterz wrote: post #4

I've only been 1/2 following along with this, I'm not sure I get it now. Freenode staff now has total control over every single change on Freenode? Won't that drive everyone (literally everyone) away? What's the Freenode staff's goal here? I'm not a Freenode user and have no interest in this at all, just wondering as a somewhat interested outsider.

I wonder the same as an outsider. If you drive away all your users what do you really have at the end? Maybe they thought they were a monopoly and could act with impunity, though that seems like a foolish assumption

That is the beauty of Open Protocols it is easy to switch to a new service provider and why Companies like Google removed all Open protocols from their services once they had a large market share

Re: Last remaining 1000+ user community channel seized by Freenode staff

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Post by craftinator »

zatertip wrote: post #18
rodiger wrote: post #5

Can someone provide some background? What started this?

Events up until May 24th: https://gist.github.com/joepie91/df80d8d36cd9d1bde46ba018af4... After that, at every turn when Andrew Lee has been given the choice between doing the right thing and acting like a comic book villain, he has chosen the latter. Removed any restraint on staff, tried to bribe FOSSHOST to be the face of his operations, hired known trolls and right-wing extremists as staff. More materially, he has…

All of this really puts Lee's evangelizing of Private Internet Access into a new light, doesn't it?

Re: Last remaining 1000+ user community channel seized by Freenode staff

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Post by unixhero »

haunter wrote: post #45
tyingq wrote: post #29

Freenode: Current global users 49980 Libera: Current global users 32769 Freenode's decline in users over the past month: http://www.hinner.com/ircstat/Socip_F_2.gif Comparison showing Freenode decline and Libera rise: https://netsplit.de/networks/top10.php Probably won't be long before Freenode is effectively dead. Edit: Also see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27502059 for a projection and more stats.

That low? IRC is truly dead But then again everyone is on Discord now so no surprise

As a flourishing community of the interwebs maybe, just maybe.

IRC as a tool is certainly not dead.

Former IRCOP.

Re: Last remaining 1000+ user community channel seized by Freenode staff

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Post by FeepingCreature »

batch12 wrote: post #36

What's everyone's favorite linux-based client nowadays? I've been out of it a long time, but recent events have got me interested in seeing what's happening at libre chat.

konversation is pretty nice on kde.

Re: Last remaining 1000+ user community channel seized by Freenode staff

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Post by techrat »

danaris wrote: post #47
_fat_santa wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wonder the same as an outsider. If you drive away all your users what do you really have at the end? Maybe they thought they were a monopoly and could act with impunity, though that seems like a foolish assumption

It's clear from Lee's words and actions that that's exactly what he thought. That, combined with a fragile ego and controlling personality, led very predictably to him reacting to people starting to talk about leaving by trying to tighten his grip on everything—and everything slipping through his fingers.

> That, combined with a fragile ego and controlling personality...

Oh, people barely know the half of it... and for those wondering just how bad it can get, peruse one of the court cases currently against him personally.

https://corrupt.tech/1708590130-ocr-compressed.pdf

Re: Last remaining 1000+ user community channel seized by Freenode staff

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Post by techrat »

dec0dedab0de wrote: post #30
andai wrote: post #10

Seriously, what's the matter with this guy? I thought he was just really naive but I can't see an explanation for doing something like this that isn't malicious.

The only thing I can think of is that freenode and libera are in it together, and they're creating drama to make people talk about IRC again. I joked on another thread that he is just being a wrestling heel at this point. It's either that or it's a purely emotional response with no rational plan. Edit: if it is all a bit of performative art, then it's brilliant. I have logged into public IRC maybe 10 times in the las…

It's not. Lee really is this self destructive and crazy.

Re: Last remaining 1000+ user community channel seized by Freenode staff

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Post by matwood »

fsloth wrote: post #23
rodiger wrote: post #5

Can someone provide some background? What started this?

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/05/freenode-irc-has-bee... Abbreviated: A LLC has enough papers to prove that they own Freenode, and they have more money than the Freenode past volunteers to spend in court fighting over this. Hence the Freenode volunteers decided to abandon Freenode. Lesson: Even though you are a fully volunteer organization, always maintain an explicit paper trail that holds in court who owns a…

The bigger lesson is anytime there is something of value with more than a single person involved, all assumptions need to be written down and codified. I'll add that if friends are involved, even more so.

Re: Last remaining 1000+ user community channel seized by Freenode staff

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Post by phoe-krk »

batch12 wrote: post #36

What's everyone's favorite linux-based client nowadays? I've been out of it a long time, but recent events have got me interested in seeing what's happening at libre chat.

irssi in a tmux session on a shell account somewhere online. Also works as a bouncer and log collector.
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