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Re: Last remaining 1000+ user community channel seized by Freenode staff

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post #5

Can someone provide some background? What started this?

Freenode IRC staff resign en masse after takeover by Korea’s “crown prince” https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/05/freenode-irc-has-bee...

Lots of HN discussion: https://www.google.com/search?q=freenode+site%3Anews.ycombin...

Re: Last remaining 1000+ user community channel seized by Freenode staff

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The thing is, most people will just stay, and the freak behind Freenode will have numbers to back up his claims, that his "community" is strong. Who knows how many of those users just keep running irssi in screen or have it configured on bouncer, checking it once a year when they need to ask question. Maybe over long time, the numbers will shift. But most people just don't care about the platform they chat through.

I agree with the sentiment, but I don't know about "most users". The numbers are already getting pretty close to half of what they were before, so even if they're still big the graph seems to counter any claims they might make about a strong community: https://netsplit.de/networks/top10.php

Re: Last remaining 1000+ user community channel seized by Freenode staff

#13

The thing is, most people will just stay, and the freak behind Freenode will have numbers to back up his claims, that his "community" is strong. Who knows how many of those users just keep running irssi in screen or have it configured on bouncer, checking it once a year when they need to ask question. Maybe over long time, the numbers will shift. But most people just don't care about the platform they chat through.

I'm glad someone else in the comments posted this link: https://netsplit.de/networks/top10.php which clearly indicates freenode is tanking and libera is matching it but upwards. In a month it'll be overtaken; I think there may be a lot of inertia from people who have a load of irc channels open but don't actively interact with it, as well as old webpages pointing to the freenode servers. But it's a matter of time, nobody will promote freenode anymore, all IRC communities will or have migrated, etc.

Re: Last remaining 1000+ user community channel seized by Freenode staff

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post #3

Wow, they really think they own the communities just because people chose to use them for IRC? How fucking entitled and arrogant . I don't even use it, but death to Freenode. Obviously somebody thought they found a gold mine, but in their tunnel vision is so focused on "owning" something that they never owned, that they're willing to burn the whole place down to keep "owning" it.

capital requires owners - you might say .. the net uses resources constantly, while capital is overflowing.. so a "power" person follows the M$ft path and jumps in with both hands to assign ownership to anything and everything, locals be dammed.. seems almost predictable in a way

Re: Last remaining 1000+ user community channel seized by Freenode staff

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The thing is, most people will just stay, and the freak behind Freenode will have numbers to back up his claims, that his "community" is strong. Who knows how many of those users just keep running irssi in screen or have it configured on bouncer, checking it once a year when they need to ask question. Maybe over long time, the numbers will shift. But most people just don't care about the platform they chat through.

People will stay? None of the places I was in on IRC have stayed.

Some other thread is saying that 40% of the userbase had hemoraged already

Re: Last remaining 1000+ user community channel seized by Freenode staff

#18
post #5

Can someone provide some background? What started this?

Events up until May 24th:

https://gist.github.com/joepie91/df80d8d36cd9d1bde46ba018af4...

After that, at every turn when Andrew Lee has been given the choice between doing the right thing and acting like a comic book villain, he has chosen the latter.

Removed any restraint on staff, tried to bribe FOSSHOST to be the face of his operations, hired known trolls and right-wing extremists as staff.

More materially, he has killed or driven away ##linux, #fsf, #gnu, #archlinux, #gentoo, #fedora, #ubuntu, #wikipedia and OVER 700 MORE PROJECTS:

https://github.com/siraben/freenode-exodus

And he is not done yet. He has announced that soon he will switch the whole network over to a new irc daemon, which he will fail at because he doesn't know how and the people who do won't touch him with a 7-foot pole:

https://www.reddit.com/r/irc/comments/nyp855/new_freenode_ma...

Re: Last remaining 1000+ user community channel seized by Freenode staff

#19
post #7

I've only been 1/2 following along with this, I'm not sure I get it now. Freenode staff now has total control over every single change on Freenode? Won't that drive everyone (literally everyone) away? What's the Freenode staff's goal here? I'm not a Freenode user and have no interest in this at all, just wondering as a somewhat interested outsider.

You are correct. This will drive everyone away. Which is why we have graphs like this: https://netsplit.de/networks/top10.php Freenode is dying and the staff are actively killing it.

That’s an amazing drop in users!

Thanks for that link - I was on Undernet starting in 1995 and even though the charts only went back to 1998 it was interesting to see the popularity of different IRC networks wax and wane over the years.

Re: Last remaining 1000+ user community channel seized by Freenode staff

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post #19
post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are correct. This will drive everyone away. Which is why we have graphs like this: https://netsplit.de/networks/top10.php Freenode is dying and the staff are actively killing it.

That’s an amazing drop in users! Thanks for that link - I was on Undernet starting in 1995 and even though the charts only went back to 1998 it was interesting to see the popularity of different IRC networks wax and wane over the years.

More stats: https://isfreenodedeadyet.com
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