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How much damage have my colleagues and I done?

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Re: How much damage have my colleagues and I done?

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Post by ltae »

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Re: How much damage have my colleagues and I done?

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Post by elzbardico »

jokethrowaway wrote: post #6

It reminds me of that documentary "The Red Pill" in which an ex-feminist turned into a Men Right's activist after looking at the data. It's good sign that someone on the school side recognise the damage happening. Still, she holds ridiculous beliefs that make me think the problem will never be solved by schools who have staff that is uniquely biased in one direction and can't even realise their bias. How can you even…

Yes, the problem is that on the far past, "believe the man" was the unwritten rule, and instead of just abolishing it, people decided that to correct that we should move to a explicit "believe the woman".

It is just another instance of our tendency as a society of over-correcting on sensitive and politically charged issues. Maybe this is a cultural artifact of our heritage of abrahamic religions. Probably this is not the case in a Confucionist heritage like China.

Re: How much damage have my colleagues and I done?

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Post by elzbardico »

ltae wrote: post #10

Capitalism is on its last legs so it is doing whatever it can to sow divisions. That's what this "overcorrection" is about: taking justified grievances and real social problems (e.g., campus rape, racial injustice) and turning them into political wedges that turn working people against each other. Concern for the actual victims of injustice gets lost in the mudslinging. The "Red" flavor is Trumpism (braindead white r…

While I don't fully agree with you, it is annoying that your comment is being down-voted instead of argued with.

Re: How much damage have my colleagues and I done?

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Post by drcongo »

jokethrowaway wrote: post #6

It reminds me of that documentary "The Red Pill" in which an ex-feminist turned into a Men Right's activist after looking at the data. It's good sign that someone on the school side recognise the damage happening. Still, she holds ridiculous beliefs that make me think the problem will never be solved by schools who have staff that is uniquely biased in one direction and can't even realise their bias. How can you even…

It's not "believe the woman", it's "believe the victim". I'm unsurprised that you registered a throwaway to hang all your dirty washing out for the world to see.

Re: How much damage have my colleagues and I done?

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Post by ColinWright »

paulcole wrote: post #9
ColinWright wrote: post #2

To continue reading for FREE, please sign up. A free account provides you access to two articles each month ... By creating a free account, you are agreeing to receive updates and special offers from The Chronicle and our selected partners. I'm sure it's an interesting article and a fine publication, but I'm not signing up. I have more than enough to read, things that I know are of direct value to me ... I'm not goin…

> I have more than enough to read, things that I know are of direct value to me ... I'm not going to sign up so I can read something "on spec". This isn’t the solution you want but it is the obvious solution. Don’t sign up and don’t read it! Don’t use “hacks” and “cheats” to get around paywalls.

Indeed, that is exactly the "solution" I have deployed in this case.

But you seem to have missed my point. Mostly it's not hard to circumvent the existing paywalls, and mostly it's not hard to sign up blind for things, and certainly you can just close the window and move on.

But I'm not complaining about paywalls, I'm identifying the compound problem of producers wanting payment, readers wanting to be able to pay when they know it's worth it, readers being unwilling to sign up to things without first evaluating them, and all the while enabling readers to find and evaluate that content.

Re: How much damage have my colleagues and I done?

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Post by anthony_d »

elzbardico wrote: post #12
jokethrowaway wrote: post #6

It reminds me of that documentary "The Red Pill" in which an ex-feminist turned into a Men Right's activist after looking at the data. It's good sign that someone on the school side recognise the damage happening. Still, she holds ridiculous beliefs that make me think the problem will never be solved by schools who have staff that is uniquely biased in one direction and can't even realise their bias. How can you even…

Yes, the problem is that on the far past, "believe the man" was the unwritten rule, and instead of just abolishing it, people decided that to correct that we should move to a explicit "believe the woman". It is just another instance of our tendency as a society of over-correcting on sensitive and politically charged issues. Maybe this is a cultural artifact of our heritage of abrahamic religions. Probably this is not…

> Yes, the problem is that on the far past, "believe the man" was the unwritten rule

That seems disingenuous at best.

The US system of justice is based on assuming innocence until guilt is proven. That favors anyone who has been accused of anything. Flipping the assumption in only the case where a woman accuses a man undermines the entire system.

Re: How much damage have my colleagues and I done?

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Post by Majestic121 »

drcongo wrote: post #14
jokethrowaway wrote: post #6

It reminds me of that documentary "The Red Pill" in which an ex-feminist turned into a Men Right's activist after looking at the data. It's good sign that someone on the school side recognise the damage happening. Still, she holds ridiculous beliefs that make me think the problem will never be solved by schools who have staff that is uniquely biased in one direction and can't even realise their bias. How can you even…

It's not "believe the woman", it's "believe the victim". I'm unsurprised that you registered a throwaway to hang all your dirty washing out for the world to see.

Did you read the article ? "Believe the woman" is mentioned 3 times, including this sentence, quotes included :

> Supporting those processes was the mantra, “Believe the woman.”

Re: How much damage have my colleagues and I done?

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Post by dragonwriter »

nomoreplease wrote: post #18

Why are schools adjudicating this? Shouldn’t the court system and police investigations?

> Why are schools adjudicating this?

Because they are held accountable through civil liability if they commit harassment, and one manner an institution can commit harassment is by maintaining an environment in which harassment thrives even if harassment isn’t a deliberate choice by institutional officers.

> Shouldn’t the court system and police investigations?

Harassment is a civil offense, so courts are involved but not police, but courts are involved only at the point where the immediately-responsible institutions have allegedly failed; their involvement compels the institutional action, it doesn’t substitute for it.

(Some acts of harassment are also crimes, but that is a separate issue.)

Re: How much damage have my colleagues and I done?

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Post by elzbardico »

anthony_d wrote: post #16
elzbardico wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, the problem is that on the far past, "believe the man" was the unwritten rule, and instead of just abolishing it, people decided that to correct that we should move to a explicit "believe the woman". It is just another instance of our tendency as a society of over-correcting on sensitive and politically charged issues. Maybe this is a cultural artifact of our heritage of abrahamic religions. Probably this is not…

> Yes, the problem is that on the far past, "believe the man" was the unwritten rule That seems disingenuous at best. The US system of justice is based on assuming innocence until guilt is proven. That favors anyone who has been accused of anything. Flipping the assumption in only the case where a woman accuses a man undermines the entire system.

I have the impression you didn't read my comment till the end.
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