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I see a 4k user drop on the past 24h on https://isfreenodedeadyet.com/ I wonder if that was the #python ban hammer OFTC numbers look stable for the whole ordeal OTOH Libera now has 2/3rds of the Freenode users, that number I think was 1/2 a couple of days ago. I wonder when will the penny drop.
It was probably the irccloud ban: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27495358
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> You are pretty young, right? No. > IRC is still the only group chat technology that I use semi-regularily. Slack, Discord, Matrix, FooBar, and the next yet unnamed hype can very well stay where they are. I dont care. I don't understand why when I make a statement about the overall state of something, there's always this one guy who replies "oh yeah, you're wrong because I something, something". I understand every p…
So does that make email the only exception? What about HTTP? or FTP (now sftp)? Are they exceptions too, or maybe they're not actually the same, and are just base protocols?
I think the issue is that HTTP and the web platform are so flexible, that we've stopped evolving dedicated protocols and just slap everything on HTTP and then eventually use mobile and desktop apps to cover the rest.
This also allows companies to build walled gardens where you register with them, they provide the service, and they control it. Which obviously has a strong investment/monetization incentive, compared to an open protocol like IRC.
I guess this may not be the right place to ask this, but I have not seen any "explanation" on why the company who bought freenode is killing it and I am really curious why would one buy sth and then kill it.
It's not a company, it's pretty much a single person, Andrew Lee. And Lee appears to have some narcissistic tendencies.
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You are pretty young, right? IRC is still the only group chat technology that I use semi-regularily. Slack, Discord, Matrix, FooBar, and the next yet unnamed hype can very well stay where they are. I dont care.
> You are pretty young, right? No. > IRC is still the only group chat technology that I use semi-regularily. Slack, Discord, Matrix, FooBar, and the next yet unnamed hype can very well stay where they are. I dont care. I don't understand why when I make a statement about the overall state of something, there's always this one guy who replies "oh yeah, you're wrong because I something, something". I understand every p…
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Maybe I am just different. I never liked the mainstream. I never liked too well known festivals. My experience is, if almost everyone is there, I dont want to be.
Great. But let's roll back to my initial point that the drama around Freenode is disproportionate to its relevancy. The fact you don't like too relevant things kind of isn't a counterargument.
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Tens of thousands of users is not actually that large these days for a worldwide chat app though? I don't know exactly how many concurrent users apps like Slack or Discord have, but I'm willing to bet it's at least two orders of magnitude more than ten thousand. Let's not even compare it to the real giants like Whatsapp and WeChat.
Most of those Discord and Slack users are nontechnical and not the target for a developer-focused IRC network. It's like discussing IDEs and then saying "but I bet many more people just use Notepad to write quick notes".
While self-hosting sounds fun, I think part of made for example freenode so fruitful is the concentration of projects. It's easy to pop over in a different channel when you're already on the network, and concentrating similar projects makes it likely that you find something interesting.
Yes, networks have a networking effect (duh). First, its about discoverability - on many networks you can see in what channels someone is in by simply /whois'ing them - allowing you to find other channels you might be interested in. Second, if you want to create your own channel - you will most likely choose a network where your target audience already is. Creating a channel there is usually easy - /join a channel th…
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> You are pretty young, right? No. > IRC is still the only group chat technology that I use semi-regularily. Slack, Discord, Matrix, FooBar, and the next yet unnamed hype can very well stay where they are. I dont care. I don't understand why when I make a statement about the overall state of something, there's always this one guy who replies "oh yeah, you're wrong because I something, something". I understand every p…
Why are you wasting your time talking here, when Facebook has billions of users?
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Yes, networks have a networking effect (duh). First, its about discoverability - on many networks you can see in what channels someone is in by simply /whois'ing them - allowing you to find other channels you might be interested in. Second, if you want to create your own channel - you will most likely choose a network where your target audience already is. Creating a channel there is usually easy - /join a channel th…
how much effort it was to administer Freenode? They seem to have lots of volunteers doing something.