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Re: The End of Freenode

#21

Post by mlang23 »

slver wrote: post #13
mlang23 wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are pretty young, right? IRC is still the only group chat technology that I use semi-regularily. Slack, Discord, Matrix, FooBar, and the next yet unnamed hype can very well stay where they are. I dont care.

> You are pretty young, right? No. > IRC is still the only group chat technology that I use semi-regularily. Slack, Discord, Matrix, FooBar, and the next yet unnamed hype can very well stay where they are. I dont care. I don't understand why when I make a statement about the overall state of something, there's always this one guy who replies "oh yeah, you're wrong because I something, something". I understand every p…

To me, IRC is an exception because it has no inherent accessibility problems, like all the modern chat platforms have.

Here is an experiment: Find a blind person and make them join your favourite discord or slack channel. Make them participate for real. Not just login and logout again. Now, do the same experiment with IRC.

10 years ago, this phenomenon was called digital divide. These days, people like you call it the inevitable future.

Re: The End of Freenode

#22

Post by slver »

mlang23 wrote: post #21
slver wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> You are pretty young, right? No. > IRC is still the only group chat technology that I use semi-regularily. Slack, Discord, Matrix, FooBar, and the next yet unnamed hype can very well stay where they are. I dont care. I don't understand why when I make a statement about the overall state of something, there's always this one guy who replies "oh yeah, you're wrong because I something, something". I understand every p…

To me, IRC is an exception because it has no inherent accessibility problems, like all the modern chat platforms have. Here is an experiment: Find a blind person and make them join your favourite discord or slack channel. Make them participate for real. Not just login and logout again. Now, do the same experiment with IRC. 10 years ago, this phenomenon was called digital divide. These days, people like you call it th…

I like the concept behind IRC as a protocol with a set of independent networks, clients.

You see, I'm not arguing what we have today is better. In many ways, it's worse, and I'm sick of proprietary HTML-based interfaces and this endless flood of pointless features and monetization attempts.

But there's the fact: a social platform lives or dies based on the "social" aspect of it. This is why Facebook is making the billions. Not because it's the best, but it has the most people.

Re: The End of Freenode

#23

Post by radiowave »

nspattak wrote: post #17

I guess this may not be the right place to ask this, but I have not seen any "explanation" on why the company who bought freenode is killing it and I am really curious why would one buy sth and then kill it.

I'm not an IRC person, so I have no idea myself about any of these things, but I notice that this blog post links to an earlier post where the author speculates about what's driving these changes:

https://ariadne.space/2021/05/20/the-whole-freenode-kerfluff...

Re: The End of Freenode

#24

Post by rincebrain »

nspattak wrote: post #17

I guess this may not be the right place to ask this, but I have not seen any "explanation" on why the company who bought freenode is killing it and I am really curious why would one buy sth and then kill it.

It's unclear to me that it's a deliberate effort to kill it so much as reshape it to suit his desires, and either genuine ignorance or absolute lack of care about the damage done to communities previously on there.

It would, after all, be relatively simple to just destroy the system with godlike power over it, unless you have some other goal.

I would speculate, from the multiplication of freenode-related services and the few attempted partnerships, that one goal is to monetize/reshape freenode's community into not being solely IRC-centered. A bunch of his pre-freenode actions seem focused around monetization, so it seems to logically follow.

A bunch of the actions seem to just be petty, though - as cited in the last thread about freenode, he klined all of irccloud, presumably because irccloud posted something in support of Libera chat, and was quoted as saying "fck irc cloud". He's apparently been klining anyone who submits things he dislikes on the freenode HN-alike.

Re: The End of Freenode

#25

Post by 3np »

slver wrote: post #13
mlang23 wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are pretty young, right? IRC is still the only group chat technology that I use semi-regularily. Slack, Discord, Matrix, FooBar, and the next yet unnamed hype can very well stay where they are. I dont care.

> You are pretty young, right? No. > IRC is still the only group chat technology that I use semi-regularily. Slack, Discord, Matrix, FooBar, and the next yet unnamed hype can very well stay where they are. I dont care. I don't understand why when I make a statement about the overall state of something, there's always this one guy who replies "oh yeah, you're wrong because I something, something". I understand every p…

From the site guidelines:

> Please don't post shallow dismissals

> Please don't complain that a submission is inappropriate

The major problem is not that your opinion on the state of things is wrong (which it can't be, it's just a value judgement). But such comments do not belong here, regardless of if others agree or not.

Re: The End of Freenode

#26

Post by mlang23 »

slver wrote: post #22
mlang23 wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To me, IRC is an exception because it has no inherent accessibility problems, like all the modern chat platforms have. Here is an experiment: Find a blind person and make them join your favourite discord or slack channel. Make them participate for real. Not just login and logout again. Now, do the same experiment with IRC. 10 years ago, this phenomenon was called digital divide. These days, people like you call it th…

I like the concept behind IRC as a protocol with a set of independent networks, clients. You see, I'm not arguing what we have today is better. In many ways, it's worse, and I'm sick of proprietary HTML-based interfaces and this endless flood of pointless features and monetization attempts. But there's the fact: a social platform lives or dies based on the "social" aspect of it. This is why Facebook is making the bil…

Maybe I am just different. I never liked the mainstream. I never liked too well known festivals. My experience is, if almost everyone is there, I dont want to be.

Re: The End of Freenode

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Post by slver »

mlang23 wrote: post #26
slver wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I like the concept behind IRC as a protocol with a set of independent networks, clients. You see, I'm not arguing what we have today is better. In many ways, it's worse, and I'm sick of proprietary HTML-based interfaces and this endless flood of pointless features and monetization attempts. But there's the fact: a social platform lives or dies based on the "social" aspect of it. This is why Facebook is making the bil…

Maybe I am just different. I never liked the mainstream. I never liked too well known festivals. My experience is, if almost everyone is there, I dont want to be.

Great. But let's roll back to my initial point that the drama around Freenode is disproportionate to its relevancy. The fact you don't like too relevant things kind of isn't a counterargument.

Re: The End of Freenode

#29

Post by slver »

3np wrote: post #25
slver wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> You are pretty young, right? No. > IRC is still the only group chat technology that I use semi-regularily. Slack, Discord, Matrix, FooBar, and the next yet unnamed hype can very well stay where they are. I dont care. I don't understand why when I make a statement about the overall state of something, there's always this one guy who replies "oh yeah, you're wrong because I something, something". I understand every p…

From the site guidelines: > Please don't post shallow dismissals > Please don't complain that a submission is inappropriate The major problem is not that your opinion on the state of things is wrong (which it can't be, it's just a value judgement). But such comments do not belong here, regardless of if others agree or not.

I have no idea how these quotes apply to what I said.

Re: The End of Freenode

#30

Post by DemocracyFTW »

nspattak wrote: post #17

I guess this may not be the right place to ask this, but I have not seen any "explanation" on why the company who bought freenode is killing it and I am really curious why would one buy sth and then kill it.

Over at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27495358 are some hints what Crownprince Root Lee is up to (or up against):

> ratww 15 hours ago [–]

> There have been some weird messages from the dude lately, the latest was

> > " The community on IRC is made up of some of the smartest, most beautiful people in the world. It's been an honor to be here with you all, friends and foes. We've been waiting for IRC's return for quite some time -- and for you, we deliver. A new genesis is taking place uncovering a new era. Freedom, and the people, shall rise to power. Freedom is not dead, it lives, here, with freenode."

> > jamincan 15 hours ago [–]

> > This sounds like the message you'd hear booming over loudspeakers in a shelled out, dystopian regime.

I'd say he's lost his way.

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