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Post by takeda »

hluska wrote: post #190
takeda wrote: post #109

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This is silly. You have alternatives, but you still are dismissing them. You could similarly say that if "McDonald mistreats me, where I'm going to go? Wendy? or Burger King? no one is going there" Also your argument with electric company doesn't make sense, in this you could maybe compare it to an ISP, which I agree should be treated as an utility. YouTube is just one of many services available. Your only argument a…

I’m not the person you’re replying to but can I take another shot at expressing their opinion? Let’s take the argument away from food and move back to networks like YouTube. I’d argue that the best, most innovative thing YouTube accomplished is that they managed to solve a huge chicken or the egg problem. They managed to get enough of an audience to attract creators which has only attracted more of an audience. How d…

Well, they didn't solve the chicken & egg problem, they bought the first platform that was created.

But I don't understand how large audience matters to anyone else than to the platform.

If you're just an user, there's nothing stopping you to use all of these services. In fact given the problem mentioned no one should stick to just one, because that leads to creating a monopoly.

If you're content creator, less of other creators means less competition, your videos are more likely to be featured etc.

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Post by manwe150 »

jbritton wrote: post #269
pininja wrote: post #104

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I agree with highlighting efficacy as a main discussion topic as well. However, I disagree the controversy doesn’t include arguments around drug safety. As long as the FDA has guidance up like this [1] it’s going to be a part of the discussion. [1] https://www.fda.gov/consumers/consumer-updates/why-you-shoul...

From the link above: “The FDA has not reviewed data to support use of ivermectin in COVID-19 patients to treat or to prevent COVID-19; however, some initial research is underway.” This is a serious failure of the FDA. ivmmeta.com is a meta-analysis of all ivermectin studies (58 studies as of now). This meta-analysis shows ivermectin to be very effective, and the FDA isn’t even looking. This has been the situation for…

They seem to be the same site as https://hcqmeta.com/, and while their data collection and aggregation looks excellent, their use of meta-statistics seemed mathematically questionable to me in the past, potentially leading to confusing messaging: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26949919.

Also perhaps worth highlighting the note at the top of their pages saying they believe vaccination is better: "While many treatments have some level of efficacy, they do not replace vaccines and other measures to avoid infection." This seems mathematically defensible to me, since a vaccine that is 95% effective is a 33% risk reduction over a treatment that is 80% effective, per some of the estimated averages on that page (since going from 5% remaining risk to 15% risk is 3 times more cases).

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Post by philwelch »

wwweston wrote: post #275
philwelch wrote: post #217

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What you are implicitly proposing is that whenever there is disagreement within the scientific community, that disagreement should be kept behind closed doors and hidden from the public until some Institution (CDC/WHO/etc) decides on a Consensus of Truth, and that this Consensus of Truth is the only narrative that can be communicated to the public. This raises a lot of questions. For instance, what happens when the C…

> until some Institution (CDC/WHO/etc) decides on a Consensus of Truth, and that this Consensus of Truth No need to draw unfounded "implicit" proposals. I explicitly invoked a body of everyone with domain expertise to evaluate claims, not a singular institution. Those people often do connect via institution S created to support and benefit from their work and its utility, like professional associations, journals and…

> No need to draw unfounded "implicit" proposals. I explicitly invoked a body of everyone with domain expertise to evaluate claims, not a singular institution.

We’re discussing a video of such “domain experts” themselves discussing and evaluating such claims openly, having been taken down by the singular Institution of Alphabet Inc.

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Post by systemBuilder »

loceng wrote: post #33
MattGaiser wrote: post #14

The makers of Ivermectin are against the use of Ivermectin for Covid. https://www.merck.com/news/merck-statement-on-ivermectin-use... The dissenters are advocating things even the company that stands to profit from those things opposes. That’s how off the deep end this is.

Here's the flipside to your point: "Dr. Robert Malone is the inventor of mRNA Vaccine technology." - here he is discussing Ivermectin with Bret Weinstein: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_NNTVJzqtY Another video Bret had to re-upload and only a short amount of it, because YouTube removed the original and gave him a strike for it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q01LUg97eto

That statement that Malone"invented"is mRNA vaccines is internet heresay. My information is that this woman did the most to creat mRNA vaccines. Her position as EVP of BioNGen suggest that she is the more respected scientist ... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katalin_Karik%C3%B3

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Post by manwe150 »

the_third_wave wrote: post #248
DaiPlusPlus wrote: post #207

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YouTube isn’t just mass-media though - it’s a general-purpose video hosting and sharing site. I’m not familiar with the current story nor the work of those involved, but academics and researchers can and do use YouTube to share information between themselves - *if* this was, say, a highly technical or academic video with a specialised intended audience and YouTube took that down then that’s different compared to a he…

> ...compared to a heterodox (read: quack) researcher You do realise that it often takes heterodoxy - i.e. going against the orthodoxy in a field - to achieve a breakthrough? You also realise that the people Brett Weinstein is talking to are anything but quacks? Why, then, this cheap shot of implying that what they are discussing is quackery? What is to be gained by such behaviour? It is not as if the orthodox approa…

You seem to be getting reflexive downvotes, but let's stop for a minute and see what you are actually proposing according to the rules you mentioned:

If something else gets an EUA at this point, it would have to have nothing comparable and solve a critical issue in the US. We have now considerable evidence that multiple different vaccines are highly effective at training your body to defend itself against COVID. Therefore, your statement implies this is new wonder drug which does better. So, it must both reverse permanent damage and be almost 100% effective at stopping and curing COVID. And it must both be something we've always known about and is something we have never seen before.

Clearly this wasn't true 9-12 months ago before the vaccine trials finished, so this would have been quite different then, but I digress: we probably don't have a time machine (or do we? Pfizer et al. might stand to lose a great deal if we do).

And, yes, if somehow all that happened, I think we'd all be very happy, even Pfizer et al. Also very confused. But happy.

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Post by raverbashing »

ds206 wrote: post #253
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #61

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> testimonies from doctors all around the world that say it works spectaculary I have no view on this drug. But this standard of evidence is useless. Every substance-disease pair has positive testimony from doctors around the world. Ground tiger bones for cancer? Paprika for polio? Leeches for fever? tons of testimony. Totally worthless. What you need are quality studies.

Here, I have a video to fill you in a little about Ivermectin. It's only 12 mins long. If you watch it, I have a question for you. Based on the info in the video, do you think Ivermectin has potential to treat covid? Yes or no? https://youtu.be/4O7uy4tzI8A Another question. Should videos like this be banned by YouTube?

Indians and Brazilians have been using it liberally. People continue to die in droves (including young people)

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Post by IshKebab »

zephyr1 wrote: post #170
IshKebab wrote: post #145

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Sorry, what exactly do you think is wrong with shutting down cranks and conspiracy theorists? You may hope we live in a happy world where everyone can evaluate information fairly and detect nonsense perfectly but I'm afraid we don't. Go and have a conversation with my aunt who thinks that the government (there's only one I guess) created Covid in order to kill all the old people and save money on state pensions. Gues…

If it's a crank conspiracy theory it should be easy to disprove. If it's more complicated then that, then you shouldn't be so confident you're the smart guy in the room.

> If it's a crank conspiracy theory it should be easy to disprove.

Have you never spoken to conspiracy theorists? Go and watch one of the Flat Earth documentaries. If Flat Earth is a crank conspiracy theory then it should be easy to disprove and the conspiracy would die out, right?

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Post by rejectedandsad »

TeeMassive wrote: post #162
pumaontheprowl wrote: post #69

If McDonald's mistreats me, I can go to Wendy's or Burger King and get a similar meal for a similar price. When Youtube mistreats me, where am I supposed to go? BitChute? Vimeo? Neither of those have even half the creators as Youtube. And if creators want to migrate off Youtube, how are they supposed to do that when they'll get less than 10% of the audience on the other sites? Youtube's moat way is too deep to be thr…

> Neither of those have even half the creators as Youtube. > Youtube is a monopoly and needs to be regulated as such. I don't think this is the right argument against big tech in general. "They are more popular" when it comes to entertainment and when there are other ways to share content that people willingly refuse to use just doesn't demonstrate a clear abuse in my opinion. The most convincing I have seen is when…

Fascists that used Gab and 8chan to publish their manifestos before killing creep me out far more than Zuckerberg ever has.

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Post by rejectedandsad »

kennywinker wrote: post #122
paulpauper wrote: post #15

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and none of the alternatives are even 1/100 as good or have nearly the same reach as youtube, which is how youtube is able to get away with what they do. VCs are much more interested these days in payment processing, which is where the money is, than video, which is expensive and hard to monetize..

My blog doesn't have as big a reach as the front page of Apple.com, but that doesn't mean they have to put my content on there.

The most bizarre (or perhaps not..) part of this conversation is how many of the people that seem to promote the idea that YouTube should be compelled to host speech because of its reach self identify as libertarian.
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