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Yes. Ethical review boards, patient confidentiality, and modern clinical studies did not exist during any other pandemic comparable with SARS-CoV-2. Like in wartime, when the threat is to society as a whole not just individuals, individual rights take a back seat.

And yes we had experimentation on all sorts of minorities, general exploitation, and in some cases into infliction of harm. What good old days those were.

You're not protecting anyone from the next Tuskegee Experiment by witholding potentially lifesaving medications from them. You're _repeating it_.

According to Worldofmeters: At the moment the United States has 1848 deaths per million people. Thailand has 21. Cambodia has 20. Taiwan 18. Vietnam 0.6. Laos 0.4.

Re: “YouTube is shutting down dissenting Biology PhDs and MDs”

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What else should scientists do than challenging the status quo? Bret (Eric's brother, biology PhD) had a 2h long conversation with Pierre Kory (MD) and it was taken down by YT. One of the things they talked was the recommendations of WHO and other organisations to focus on supportive care only (supporting the patient while their organism fights the disease by itself). They insist on not using other treatments outside…

This rhetoric sounds eerily reminiscent of the double standards advocated by practitioners of so-called alternative medicine (SCAM) pseudoscience.

Re: “YouTube is shutting down dissenting Biology PhDs and MDs”

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I don't know much about the economics of drugs, but I've seen this type of statement a few times: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27496008

I don't get it, why would Merck leave money on the table. Merck has and will develop many more Covid drugs. It does not make sense to bet everything on one horse where there is a lot of uncertainty and risk that any drug will see the light of day. I get that it makes sense as a narrative device to discredit Merck ("big pharma has acted against our interest in the past, so they are acting against our interest here"),…

because the newer treatment will likely cost more money

it's not like riverblindness is a first-world problem you can charge people more money for treating

Re: “YouTube is shutting down dissenting Biology PhDs and MDs”

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YouTube's position is that this is medical misinformation about Ivermectin. One of the comments on this Twitter thread argues the video "isn’t just advocating for more complete Ivermectin trials, he’s recommending its use based on a collection of low quality studies. That’s dangerous, and I don’t see how you can blame YouTube for deferring to the advice of the major health bodies on this matter." Personally I'd never…

Have you read the FDA's article? Let me summarize. Thou shalt not use Ivermectin because: > Ivermectin tablets are approved [...] for some parasitic worms. > Taking large doses of this drug is dangerous and can cause serious harm. (Unlike any other drug.) > There’s a lot of misinformation around, and you may have heard that it’s okay to take large doses of ivermectin. ...while also... > The FDA has not reviewed data…

> > Ivermectin tablets are approved [...] some parasitic worms.

Doctors prescribe stuff off-label all the time. I've taken off-label prescriptions before. Our son takes off-label prescriptions. The fact that X has not been approved for Y doesn't mean much.

Now that's not saying anyone should take ivermectin for COVID-19. I myself probably wouldn't, and if a doctor wanted to prescribe it to me I'd be sceptical. But my reasons for not wanting to take ivermectin for COVID-19 have little to do with the issue of on-label vs off-label use.

Re: “YouTube is shutting down dissenting Biology PhDs and MDs”

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What else should scientists do than challenging the status quo? Bret (Eric's brother, biology PhD) had a 2h long conversation with Pierre Kory (MD) and it was taken down by YT. One of the things they talked was the recommendations of WHO and other organisations to focus on supportive care only (supporting the patient while their organism fights the disease by itself). They insist on not using other treatments outside…

I think arguing that supportive care is grossly suboptimal is going to be a pretty difficult take to sustain, given that a huge majority of the infected manage a full recovery from SARS-CoV-2 with no treatment at all. This complicates the cost-benefit outlook for any early treatment; it would be entirely wasted on those patients, while the potential for severe side effects (as seen also, e.g. from HCQ) would remain.

Then why administer the vaccines? (With potential side effects due to the short period of clinical trials compared to the use of Ivermectin.) The way to control the epidemic is to make enough people immune to drive it to extinction. It would be preferable to use all available means to attain that. This way you protect all people (not only the people who got the treatment), including the vulnerable ones.

Re: “YouTube is shutting down dissenting Biology PhDs and MDs”

#190
post #109

If McDonald's mistreats me, I can go to Wendy's or Burger King and get a similar meal for a similar price. When Youtube mistreats me, where am I supposed to go? BitChute? Vimeo? Neither of those have even half the creators as Youtube. And if creators want to migrate off Youtube, how are they supposed to do that when they'll get less than 10% of the audience on the other sites? Youtube's moat way is too deep to be thr…

This is silly. You have alternatives, but you still are dismissing them. You could similarly say that if "McDonald mistreats me, where I'm going to go? Wendy? or Burger King? no one is going there" Also your argument with electric company doesn't make sense, in this you could maybe compare it to an ISP, which I agree should be treated as an utility. YouTube is just one of many services available. Your only argument a…

I’m not the person you’re replying to but can I take another shot at expressing their opinion?

Let’s take the argument away from food and move back to networks like YouTube. I’d argue that the best, most innovative thing YouTube accomplished is that they managed to solve a huge chicken or the egg problem. They managed to get enough of an audience to attract creators which has only attracted more of an audience.

How do we deal with companies like that in the context of speech? On one hand, they’re a private company and should have the right to exclude anyone they want for any reason. But what happens when they have so much attention that that exclusion deprives people of hearing right or wrong dissenting opinions?

I genuinely don’t know and my own opinion has swayed so much over the last few months that I’m either dumb or a hypocrite.

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