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Re: Ex-Wave, Ex-Plus engineer on Google Plus

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We'll see. I agree that Facebook Groups is much less powerful than Circles and much less fundamental to the core Facebook experience than Circles is with G+. On the other hand, Facebook Groups takes less effort to use - each person does not need to sort their friends, a small number of curators can organize the group. More importantly, it is clearer to the user just what is going on. I have been trying to talk to as…

There are a number of areas in G+ that seem like they're going to lead to highly-publicized mistakes, and the asymmetry of circles is certainly one of them. You basically have no way to know who can see your comment on a post (outside of the fact that everyone can see it on a "public" post). I also suspect an Weinergate style mis-post of something that was supposed to be private will occur fairly early on. Though to…

You basically have no way to know who can see your comment on a post (outside of the fact that everyone can see it on a "public" post).

On private posts, the word "Limited" appears next to the post, on which you can click to see who it's visible to. It's not as obvious as it could be, but it's there.

Re: Ex-Wave, Ex-Plus engineer on Google Plus

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post #9

I don't mean to distract, but wow. What a gorgeously designed clean website. I meant to read the article - and I did after a while - but the first thing I did was CTRL + U to check out the source code.

Meanwhile, it's absolutely unusable on my Honeycomb tablet.

I would love to finish reading this, but his site design is preventing me from scrolling down to read the rest of the entry.

Re: Ex-Wave, Ex-Plus engineer on Google Plus

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Ex-Wave, Ex-Plus engineer on why javascript is required to read a blog entry. No, it should not be.

If it's any consolation, it doesn't work with javascript either. I middle-clicked the "previously described" link and it took away the blog entry that I was in the middle of reading.

Re: Ex-Wave, Ex-Plus engineer on Google Plus

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post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are a number of areas in G+ that seem like they're going to lead to highly-publicized mistakes, and the asymmetry of circles is certainly one of them. You basically have no way to know who can see your comment on a post (outside of the fact that everyone can see it on a "public" post). I also suspect an Weinergate style mis-post of something that was supposed to be private will occur fairly early on. Though to…

You basically have no way to know who can see your comment on a post (outside of the fact that everyone can see it on a "public" post). On private posts, the word "Limited" appears next to the post, on which you can click to see who it's visible to. It's not as obvious as it could be, but it's there.

Actually, you can only see icons for 21 of the people (and the total number) it was shared with in that case. Only the poster can see the whole list.

There's a problem with even being able to see the 21, from the pov of the poster...

Re: Ex-Wave, Ex-Plus engineer on Google Plus

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post #5

It amazes me that this engineer appears to not know that Google+ Circles are already implemented in the core of Facebook as Friend Lists (though without a nice UI and pushed aside over time) and that Facebook Groups solve a completely different, unrelated problem.

That's not what he was saying.

His point was that he was waiting for Facebook to make their pre-emptive response to Circles, and then FB released Groups. He knows full well is solves a different problem - that was the point of what he was saying.

Not only does Groups not really do the same things as Circles/Lists at all, but Facebook appears to think that Lists don't work. Zuckerberg:

Just take friends on a site, and cut them into subgroups. Sounds good in theory. But almost no one wants to make lists. We’ve been at this for a few years, and promoted heavily. Most we’ve gotten is 5% to make lists, and most don’t make more than one.

http://www.insidefacebook.com/2010/10/06/live-blogging-faceb...

Re: Ex-Wave, Ex-Plus engineer on Google Plus

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post #13
post #9

I don't mean to distract, but wow. What a gorgeously designed clean website. I meant to read the article - and I did after a while - but the first thing I did was CTRL + U to check out the source code.

Meanwhile, it's absolutely unusable on my Honeycomb tablet. I would love to finish reading this, but his site design is preventing me from scrolling down to read the rest of the entry.

Here you go: http://www.ihany.com/article-through-hn-not-mine/

(Page not public. Not taking credit. I'll take it down in the morning.)

Re: Ex-Wave, Ex-Plus engineer on Google Plus

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post #16
post #5

It amazes me that this engineer appears to not know that Google+ Circles are already implemented in the core of Facebook as Friend Lists (though without a nice UI and pushed aside over time) and that Facebook Groups solve a completely different, unrelated problem.

That's not what he was saying. His point was that he was waiting for Facebook to make their pre-emptive response to Circles, and then FB released Groups. He knows full well is solves a different problem - that was the point of what he was saying. Not only does Groups not really do the same things as Circles/Lists at all, but Facebook appears to think that Lists don't work. Zuckerberg: Just take friends on a site, and…

Lists don't work and Groups are not a response to Google+ Cirlces.

Re: Ex-Wave, Ex-Plus engineer on Google Plus

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post #17
post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Meanwhile, it's absolutely unusable on my Honeycomb tablet. I would love to finish reading this, but his site design is preventing me from scrolling down to read the rest of the entry.

Here you go: http://www.ihany.com/article-through-hn-not-mine/ (Page not public. Not taking credit. I'll take it down in the morning.)

Thanks a ton!

Re: Ex-Wave, Ex-Plus engineer on Google Plus

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post #13
post #9

I don't mean to distract, but wow. What a gorgeously designed clean website. I meant to read the article - and I did after a while - but the first thing I did was CTRL + U to check out the source code.

Meanwhile, it's absolutely unusable on my Honeycomb tablet. I would love to finish reading this, but his site design is preventing me from scrolling down to read the rest of the entry.

It's also not rendering correctly in by build of Chromium (11.0.696.71). The interface is slick, but I can't scroll past the bottom margin.
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