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I Miss the Old Internet (2019)

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Re: I Miss the Old Internet (2019)

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The fridge I grew-up with lasted 30 years. It does seem like an industry-wide conspiracy to make "durable" consumer goods last only as long as their warranties. And also, to make money on replacement parts and complete replacements. The "Just go buy another one"-mentality makes me cringe.

It seems like consumers prefer fancy features than durability

Ugh, not lowest TCO. D: And those mostly pointless features are so fleeting. Just do them in software and modular assemblies. Also, right-to-repair and design for maintainability.

Re: I Miss the Old Internet (2019)

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I just watched Inside [1], where Bo Burnham creates a wonderful, funny, sad and thought-provoking "Special" about our internet culture. Highly recommended. This is one of my favourite songs now: [2] It's a bit crazy when I think about how different our generations grow up and it makes me a bit sad that our children will have a completely different understanding of what the internet is. For me it was a place of wonder…

Maybe things felt better because the internet originally reflected a subset of our population. Before the advent of cheap smartphones and 24/7 connections with a cellular plan, being part of the early internet usually meant you had a well paid job and were educated.

The internet of today hasn't changed much and is still a reflection of it's population. And if we don't like what we see it's because it highlights the worst parts of society as well as the best.

I've been doing a lot of thinking on how the internet has changed humanity since it's inception and watching our gradual change into a more connected and collectivist mentality. I think right now we're all being confronted with the imperfect creatures we are and ultimately I think it's a good thing for how we'll progress from here.

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On HN with its dang moderation that is often praised, I have noticed a tendency to ascribe Slashdot's fall to poor moderation. That wasn't actually how things happened, though. Slashdot's decline started in the years around 2004 because of a site redesign that was taken very badly by the community, and the sale of the site to new owners who began to make all kinds of annoying changes with a view to monetizing. A lot…

I remember the site UI change, but I was mostly grumbling because it looked even more 1990's post-redesign. I didn't realize that cause people to leave en masse. I'm surprised UI was more important than discussion, esp. when the UI change wasn't really that dramatic, IMHO.

The UI changes weren't especially popular, but I don't think they were the cause of a mass exodus. I think it's more that Reddit was gaining in popularity. Slashdot posts had to go through their "editors," who were kind of laughingstocks who regularly let dumb mistakes through, reposted old articles, and regularly posted low-quality, flamebaity articles and thinly disguised advertisements. People put up with it since the articles were largely an excuse for a discussion topic. But then Reddit bypassed this and let people submit things directly. And the quality of Reddit posts and comments was a lot higher since it drew a more cerebral crowd in those early days, which made it more of a threat to Slashdot than the more mainstream Digg (which it also replaced ultimately).

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I think it's easy to forget we're not the same people we were 20-25 years ago. I see all sorts of lamentations about various things in the world changing and becoming less magical. But as far as I'm aware, I could still go and argue about bands in chatrooms. I could talk to other writers and dream about my future best-selling novels. I could go read random opinions about any subject and get into an exhilarating flame…

I don't think I've seen a more succinct display of this as in The Daily Show, when Jon Stewart was lambasting Sean Hannity.

"You know why America was so great to you when you were 12? BECAUSE YOU WERE 12!"

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As someone who cannot process video, agreed this is genuinely insulting. To me, the majority of knowledge distillation is quickly becoming like cheap snacking - you get a bit, it leaves you wanting, but is ultimately bad for you.

I don’t understand. Has someone made it so you don’t have access to books anymore? The videos are additive.

For some reason, search engines are now promoting video results over text results, at least for “how to” type searches.

Re: I Miss the Old Internet (2019)

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I think it's easy to forget we're not the same people we were 20-25 years ago. I see all sorts of lamentations about various things in the world changing and becoming less magical. But as far as I'm aware, I could still go and argue about bands in chatrooms. I could talk to other writers and dream about my future best-selling novels. I could go read random opinions about any subject and get into an exhilarating flame…

To me the main change that internet got is this: the old internet was like a parallel universe, you picked up a random username, and no matter who you were in real life, you could socialize and share interest with other people without any prejudice. This is especially important for introverts like me, that if they have to put their real name on something, for example a comment on Facebook, they think about it 100 tim…

Old internet had a bit RTFM and show your work to solve this before asking questions culture too. And were pretty curmudgeony back in the 90s on irc. Tbh its reasonable to ask people to bother to search for a minute before askinf questions, and if you tell people i tried searching with this before asking, they’re a lot more friendly.

That sense of community is there with discord, you gotta use that.

Re: I Miss the Old Internet (2019)

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I miss text. It seems now that whenever I search for 'how to do X?' there is a lot of video results for sometimes very trivial things. A 10 minutes video with the usual 'subscribe and hit the bell icon', a word from the sponsor, a long winded introduction and then "click on menu, then click on this item, then select the size".

That comes from changing economics. Youtube pays, blogs with ads do not

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I learned recently that you can make tea from roasted buckwheat. I googled it, and found a seven minute video of a man making tea with his daughters. And I don't mean an artful exposition or something, just full-on Youtube "yo what's up welcome back to the channel so since last time we've been really loving BUCKWHEAT TEA here's how to make it don't forget to LIKE AND SUBSCRIBE" drivel around pouring water on buckwhea…

A weird thing I learned while working on my own YouTube channel is that saying "Like and subscribe" actually does work. As in, you get more likes and subscribers by saying it compared to not saying it. It's like people need to be reminded that they can or should click those buttons. I could never bring myself to say it at the start of a YouTube video but I added it at the end and saw improvements in the analytics fro…

Do you get more people to do it by saying like and smash that subscribe button vs just saying like and subscribe?

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> When i read on HN and realize just how many people there are like me, or that there’s people that are also way too into disc golf, acoustic guitar, or any other semi niche activity i wonder why it is so hard to make more regular connections and interactions with them. That hit me in the truth. I feel like that a lot: if I know these people exist, and care deeply about the things I care about, why am I not building…

> why am I not building lasting friendships with them? I remember arguing with a high school teacher that 50 years in the future countries as we knew them would no longer exist. People would cluster online based on shared interests and goals. That was 30 years ago. I'm gonna go out on a limb and suggest it ain't happening the way I thought it would.

Maybe not, but the people are still clustering, and reality has a crack: different groups of people have disjoint mutually inconsistent but internally consistent narratives about events in the world, generated and sustained by their online clustering.

Re: I Miss the Old Internet (2019)

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I've seen this sentiment more and more over the last few years here (and on Reddit). Can you give an example of some high quality content that loses out to SEO clickbait at the moment? As far as I can see, a "correctly" crafted query (read: the querymy parents would ask, not the query I would ask) will lead me to a well thought out response on Google 9/10 times, which is judtas often as it did 10 years ago.

I have some first-hand experience with this problem. I'll give a specific example: In 2005 I published one of the Internet's earliest articles on the "Baader-Meinhof Phenomenon"[1], also known as Frequency Illusion. In the intervening 15 years, thousands of sites have linked to my article, so you would think it would rank really well. Instead, my article is barely on the first page of Google's search results. Above m…

Thanks for replying! There's clearly some "google-washing" going on here, as searching for "baader meinhof phenomenon" on google places the Damn interesting article 5th in my search results. The other results above that may not have huge differences, but they do offer at least the same information on "more reputable" (read: names that I recognize in 2021) websites which would likely Garner a click from Mr..
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