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Re: Few people know that Google voluntarily removes some search results

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Post by IgorPartola » Sun, Jun 13, 2021, 3:02 AM UTC

akiselev wrote: post #300

efreak wrote: post #298

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Wouldn't plugging in a small appliance (electrical toothbrush, phone charger, alarm clock, etc) be enough to tell you if a socket is live? Why have an extra device unless you need to do actual tests (ie, check what the voltage/current draw is)? Plug in something with a power indicator before shutting off the power, and check it before you start working.

The metal inside the socket that completes the circuit with the male pins can age and get bent, losing contact unless the plug is at just the right angle or the pins are bent in the right direction. It's unreliable and unsafe. If its your house and you're intimately familiar with the state of the sockets, it's slightly less unreliable and unsafe. The EM coming off AC mains makes a non contact detector hard to fool an…

I have a stud finder with this feature built in. Really nice for not drilling into wiring.

Re: Few people know that Google voluntarily removes some search results

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Post by mikestaub » Sun, Jun 13, 2021, 1:32 PM UTC

dkokelley wrote: post #19

This is an example of a large central authority censoring information. How does the notion of a purely distributed, unregulated, uncensorable, blockchain-backed internet handle "revenge porn" or other genuinely harmful content? An argument I hear from the crypto community is that blockchain is good because it enables freedom of speech that can't be banned by governments or other central authorities. The crypto commun…

Mastodon handles this almost perfectly. No one can take down an ActivityPub server, but moderators can choose to not sync with hostile actors. If the users disagree with the moderator's decision, they migrate to another host and take all their data with them.

Re: Few people know that Google voluntarily removes some search results

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Post by jjeaff » Sun, Jun 13, 2021, 8:17 PM UTC

shimon wrote: post #235

akiselev wrote: post #116

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No, that's just for incidental damage and probably legally mandated by your state. If your house burns down to due to DIY wiring, the insurance company won't pay out a dime (if the inspectors discover it). Electricians have liability insurance provided by an organization specializing in policies for practicing tradesmen. If an insurance company fails to disqualify a homeowner's policy and pays out, it will then go af…

This idea that DIY wiring can invalidate your insurance policy is widely repeated, but I don't think it's true. Homeowner's insurance routinely covers preventable disasters. Did you leave a candle on or a heater plugged in and start a fire? Did you not cut down a tree that was looking unhealthy and it fell on your home? These are all situations where your insurance would pay a claim. The cases where they would not pa…

Ya, it's total bologna. Insurance covers stupidity as well as acts of god unless specifically excluded otherwise.

Re: Few people know that Google voluntarily removes some search results

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Post by jjeaff » Sun, Jun 13, 2021, 8:26 PM UTC

akiselev wrote: post #222

markkanof wrote: post #218

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There is just no way this is correct. First, most municipalities in America anyway allow a homeowner to do their own electrical work. You are required to get a permit for the work though and then have it inspected by the city inspector to verify the work was done correctly. But second and maybe more importantly how would you ever be able to get insurance on an older house. There may have been dozens of different elec…

> First, most municipalities in America anyway allow a homeowner to do their own electrical work. You are required to get a permit for the work though and then have it inspected by the city inspector to verify the work was done correctly They allow them to change sockets and light switches. Anything requiring a city inspector is literally the same thing as getting a licensed electrician. Municipalities have a lot mor…

Your regular homeowner's insurance policy covers diy everything. You've been talking to too many insurance salesman.

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Post by jjeaff » Sun, Jun 13, 2021, 8:34 PM UTC

makeitdouble wrote: post #170

version_five wrote: post #138

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My view is that if the only reason you are doing something is because of the insurance implications, then you've surely made the wrong decision. Nobody's interests are less aligned with your own than an insurance company's. There are lots of legitimate reasons to hire an electrician, but making decisions solely based on what someone who wants you to perpetually give them money whole finding reasons to never give it b…

I generally agree with you, but electric work is different. Except if you’ve wired your whole house by yourself, having someone qualified and legally responsible for rewiring is important. Even if their own work is minimal, they also take responsibility for not fixing the previous work if there was anything that should have been noticed, and it’s a role you can’t take. On insurance, as you say their interests are opp…

https://www.reddit.com/r/HomeImprovement/comments/7vwe23/doe...

Re: Few people know that Google voluntarily removes some search results

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Post by jjeaff » Sun, Jun 13, 2021, 8:57 PM UTC

RHSeeger wrote: post #225

a1369209993 wrote: post #219

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> insurance won't let you do anything risky, and won't pay if you do . This is the part that is outright fraud. A legitimate insurance policy is literally a cheque; if something happens, you deposit it in the bank and get you money, and it's the insurance company's responsibility to prove that your claim is not covered by the policy written on the cheque. The insurance company does not make a decision about whether t…

Without trying to sound snarky, I feel like maybe you haven't had to deal with insurance companies for anything substantial. A lot of them go out of their way to say no to as much as they can, and you need to fight with them to get them to change their decision.

I have never had an insurance company flat out deny a claim. The only back and forth i generally have is on how much as they try to pay as little as is allowed.

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Post by jjeaff » Sun, Jun 13, 2021, 9:08 PM UTC

teddyh wrote: post #260

Ntrails wrote: post #256

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> People often pay electricians even for tasks that are just "flip a switch and turn some screws," after all. My Grandfather used to tell a story about an old aeroplane that wouldn't start. They found a retired engineer who agreed to come out and look. Did so, had a listen when they tried, And nodded to himself. From his toolbox he removed a hammer and smacked the engine once sharply. Suddenly it started right up. Ma…

That is an urban legend, at least 100 years old: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/know-where-man/ https://quoteinvestigator.com/2017/03/06/tap/

Now lookup what a parable is. There can be great value in fiction sometimes more value than a true story.

Re: Few people know that Google voluntarily removes some search results

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Post by poutrathor » Mon, Jun 14, 2021, 6:46 AM UTC

concordDance wrote: post #258

dkokelley wrote: post #19

This is an example of a large central authority censoring information. How does the notion of a purely distributed, unregulated, uncensorable, blockchain-backed internet handle "revenge porn" or other genuinely harmful content? An argument I hear from the crypto community is that blockchain is good because it enables freedom of speech that can't be banned by governments or other central authorities. The crypto commun…

> Are there circumstances when something should be banned, and how does that work on a blockchain? My answer is No. The "genuinely harmful content" is minimally harmful compared to the damage censorship can do. The problem is always with people being dicks, not the information. E.g. a jilted lover posting porn videoes of an ex is only a problem because the lover will deliberately attempt to show them to the ex and th…

what is lacking in your view is empathy. It seems you don't understand what it is to be the victim, for no good damn fault of you. Moreover in your 'solution', once the videos have leaked on-line to fulfil the ex-lover revenge, it will never be taken out. Fast forward 10 years later, the ex-lover has served its sentence, the victim moved to another place, another job, every thing is forgotten. At their work, they got into a heated debate about any topic. The adversarial debater, seeing red, searched the web, find the video and broadcast to everybody. There might be regrets the second after sending, but it's too late, *once again*

It's not about people being dicks it's about information as weapons laying around forever.

Humans have built-in forgetness but modern days tech does not. Since we are evolving at nature rate, technology must be rein in from time to time.

Re: Few people know that Google voluntarily removes some search results

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Post by concordDance » Mon, Jun 14, 2021, 11:16 AM UTC

poutrathor wrote: post #308

concordDance wrote: post #258

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> Are there circumstances when something should be banned, and how does that work on a blockchain? My answer is No. The "genuinely harmful content" is minimally harmful compared to the damage censorship can do. The problem is always with people being dicks, not the information. E.g. a jilted lover posting porn videoes of an ex is only a problem because the lover will deliberately attempt to show them to the ex and th…

what is lacking in your view is empathy. It seems you don't understand what it is to be the victim, for no good damn fault of you. Moreover in your 'solution', once the videos have leaked on-line to fulfil the ex-lover revenge, it will never be taken out. Fast forward 10 years later, the ex-lover has served its sentence, the victim moved to another place, another job, every thing is forgotten. At their work, they got…

I admit I do struggle to understand that type of victimhood. Probably because my social circle would not care about whatever obscure fetishes I have unless it's kiddy diddling, nor would most even want to see my sex tape (and I'd struggle to care if they had).

However, people are quite capable of being very unpleasant to eachother without sex videos, if it wasn't that the person seeing red would have done something else (keyed car, sabotage, malicious lies... plenty of options). Regardless they should be disciplined, probably fired outright.