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The six-year-old iPhone 6S will get iOS 15

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Re: The six-year-old iPhone 6S will get iOS 15

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Post by kemayo »

rootusrootus wrote: post #60
kemayo wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not really! There's not an iOS equivalent to the Android "back" concept. On Android pressing "back" will take you to the last screen you were on; importantly this might be in the same app or a different one. It'll also do things like dismiss popups and hide the keyboard, since that's also moving back to a previous state. The back-swipe on iOS is the equivalent of the Android "up" button, in that it's specific to the…

Agreed, it's not a perfect analog, but for me it did work out as a roughly equivalent replacement for what I used the back button for in Android. I've also had really good luck with most apps supporting the convention. But YMMV of course, this is going to be largely dependent on your own usage patterns, app choices, etc.

Yeah, that's fair. I felt it was worth calling out that it's not a perfect 1:1 map of behavior, since the Android-back does contain multitudes and it's hard to say what a given person expects it to do in their own usage.

Honestly, having used both, I prefer the iOS separation of concerns. I've seen a lot of non-technical people get confused about what Android's "back" is going to do, so a button that'll do something different based on the context of how your reached the current screen apparently doesn't map well to many people's mental models of their phones.

Re: The six-year-old iPhone 6S will get iOS 15

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Post by Andrew_nenakhov »

tokamak-teapot wrote: post #41
Andrew_nenakhov wrote: post #32

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Especially when some software vendors drop support of previous versions of macOS. Recently Sketch axed support for macOS Mojave, which was released less than three years ago ! And it is a real problem because a lot of fine functioning computers can't be officially upgraded to newer versions of macOS, rendering them essentially useless.

Why do they need to be updated to newer versions? I don’t see what makes computers useless if they aren’t on the latest major release of the OS. I’m running a 2008 MacBook which works just fine for its purpose (digital audio) and isn’t on the latest OS. They’re still releasing security updates for High Sierra, which supports hardware back to 2009/10.

Because all plugins, all samples and stencils on popular websites rarely support anything other than the later version. You can do without upgrading version of Sketch for maybe 6months, but then you'll run into problems, and in 18 months it'll be just what it is, cloud features gone, modern plugin versions gone too, no official libraries are of any use.

Re: The six-year-old iPhone 6S will get iOS 15

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Post by incanus77 »

jdmoreira wrote: post #49
incanus77 wrote: post #35

My first-gen SE (same age as the 6S) is also supported and doing just fine. Second screen, third battery, works great for everything except spending extended idle entertainment time on it, which is why I still use it.

Do you use airpods with it? Curious about how that experience would be

I do! First gen. Works just fine. But I also occasionally use regular earbuds via... the headphone jack.

Re: The six-year-old iPhone 6S will get iOS 15

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Post by Leherenn »

throwaaskjdfh wrote: post #20
cbmuser wrote: post #18

iPhone 5s (2013 IIRC) is also still receiving security updates for iOS 12.5.x.

This is good to know. I don't care at all about using the latest iOS; if my iPhone 6S was still running the original version it shipped with, I'd never know the difference. But I do care about security updates.

You probably would notice, because system apps like Safari are tied into it. I'm not sure how much of the web is broken on Safari 9. Or whether iMessage or Facetime still works.

I would say that's the one place where Android got it right, you can keep having updated system apps for a long time after the OS itself is abandoned (which is shamefuly quickly).

Re: The six-year-old iPhone 6S will get iOS 15

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Post by salamandersauce »

tokamak-teapot wrote: post #41
Andrew_nenakhov wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Especially when some software vendors drop support of previous versions of macOS. Recently Sketch axed support for macOS Mojave, which was released less than three years ago ! And it is a real problem because a lot of fine functioning computers can't be officially upgraded to newer versions of macOS, rendering them essentially useless.

Why do they need to be updated to newer versions? I don’t see what makes computers useless if they aren’t on the latest major release of the OS. I’m running a 2008 MacBook which works just fine for its purpose (digital audio) and isn’t on the latest OS. They’re still releasing security updates for High Sierra, which supports hardware back to 2009/10.

The last High Sierra update was 7 months ago and it's now unsupported. It's not going to get anymore now that Big Sur has launched as Apple only supports 2 versions back.

So no security updates for starters, software slowly starts to leave behind old versions too.

Re: The six-year-old iPhone 6S will get iOS 15

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Post by iSnow »

kemayo wrote: post #61
rootusrootus wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agreed, it's not a perfect analog, but for me it did work out as a roughly equivalent replacement for what I used the back button for in Android. I've also had really good luck with most apps supporting the convention. But YMMV of course, this is going to be largely dependent on your own usage patterns, app choices, etc.

Yeah, that's fair. I felt it was worth calling out that it's not a perfect 1:1 map of behavior, since the Android-back does contain multitudes and it's hard to say what a given person expects it to do in their own usage. Honestly, having used both, I prefer the iOS separation of concerns. I've seen a lot of non-technical people get confused about what Android's "back" is going to do, so a button that'll do something…

Personally, I love that I can open a web site in the browser from say the Reddit app and back will bring me back to the Reddit app. Guess I'll miss this behavior.

Re: The six-year-old iPhone 6S will get iOS 15

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Post by iSnow »

akmarinov wrote: post #58
iSnow wrote: post #30

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Same for Sony. Got like 2.5y support and that's it, not even regular security updates. I am thinking about switching to iPhones. I just hope the anti-trust case forces Apple to allow other App stores or side-loading. That and the back button is what keeps me on Android, and I am sure I could accustomed to whatever gesture means "back" on iOS.

It’s looking likely that the EU will force them to add other stores. Don’t know whether that’ll apply to the US if they do. Also the EU isn’t in Apple’s top 3 priority markets, so we’ll see.

As an EU-citizen, it's sufficient for me if the EU forces them, but I think there's also the Steam vs Apple case in the USA

Re: The six-year-old iPhone 6S will get iOS 15

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Post by rootusrootus »

iSnow wrote: post #66
kemayo wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, that's fair. I felt it was worth calling out that it's not a perfect 1:1 map of behavior, since the Android-back does contain multitudes and it's hard to say what a given person expects it to do in their own usage. Honestly, having used both, I prefer the iOS separation of concerns. I've seen a lot of non-technical people get confused about what Android's "back" is going to do, so a button that'll do something…

Personally, I love that I can open a web site in the browser from say the Reddit app and back will bring me back to the Reddit app. Guess I'll miss this behavior.

That functionality exists on iOS. When I open a site from Apollo, to use your Reddit example, I get a small "Done" button at the upper left corner of the screen. Touching that closes the browser window and leaves me right back in Apollo where I started.

Conventionally, most iOS apps seem to do it like Apple does with the native apps. E.g. when I click a link in an iMessage, it opens up the page in Safari and at the top left of the screen there is a little "Honestly, it seems just like a Windows vs MacOS vs Linux thing. There are analogs for almost every behavior that is even a tiny bit popular, you just have to get comfortable with how to use it.

Re: The six-year-old iPhone 6S will get iOS 15

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Post by noobquestion81 »

SuchAnonMuchWow wrote: post #57
solidangle wrote: post #4

This is why I bought an iPhone 12. I had a Samsung Galaxy S8 before it and I was perfectly happy with it, except for the fact that it had reached the end of its scheduled security updates. The battery life was still good enough for my light usage, it still ran my apps without a hitch, and the OLED screen still looked great, but it had not received a proper software update in over a year and it had just received its f…

I just bought a new android smartphone, and I have the current one since 2012 I never really needed to update the system: all the apps that I wanted just worked, and I didn't really needed new features from more recent versions of android. It works still fine: performance is ok (maps is the only app that is a little laggy), the battery still last a full day. But now the version of android on that phone is no longer s…

Good lord dude. Any site you browse to on the internet can trivially steal all the data in your phone...
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