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House lawmakers release anti-monopoly agenda for “a stronger online economy”

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Re: House lawmakers release anti-monopoly agenda for “a stronger online economy”

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The anti-monopoly movement has been a struggle for the past 70 years, but has managed to notch some wins. However, the digital economy has only recently come into focus that aligns with past understand of monopoly (legal). As a result, the anti-monopoly movement floundered in the start of the 21st century. Here is a great overview from the Harvard Business Review:

https://hbr.org/2017/12/the-rise-fall-and-rebirth-of-the-u-s...

The reason why this committee is bipartisan, I believe, is because social progressives on one side and free-market conservatives on the other are finally seeing the problem with today's monopolies. (Unfortunately this is just one giant problem out of many giant problems facing modern government, so maybe let's not position it as, "well if they can't fix X they shouldn't bother to fix Y and Z.")

I'm most interested in the platform monopoly legislation. There's an entire new legal vocabulary required to even talk about this. Or so I think.

Re: House lawmakers release anti-monopoly agenda for “a stronger online economy”

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This will serve them well.

Ever since the GFC big tech has not produced anything which actually improved the quality of life of the avg. citizen.

And the last huge leap was Windows 95, the rate of innovation slowed down since then, we just barely managed to collect Google and Facebook along the way.

It was Windows 95 which should have shown big tech companies the way. If you stop innovating, then people begin to look at the marketcap of the company and the net worth of the founders as well as the pay of CEOs and sure enough hatred among the public opinion starts mounting pretty fast. People get accostumed to the quality of life provided by big tech in a very fast manner, if the rate of innovation slows down then people will turn on innovators because of the wealth inequality that they see between themselves and big tech companies' insiders.

Microsoft was fighting for its survival a mere 5 years after the release of Windows 95, not because of competitors, but because of the public hatred against them had mounted and that emboldened the DOJ to sue them. It wouldn't have happened if the next iteration would have been as transformative as the jump from Ms-Dos to Win95.

Big tech has to understand that as complex as they are as companies, they are not much different than a bike, you can only slow down so much before you tip over and disaster happens.

They have their 300B cash warchest, they have their AAA+ credit rating, they have interest rates at an historic minimum. They have no excuse for the technological stasis

Re: House lawmakers release anti-monopoly agenda for “a stronger online economy”

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

From where? Not Europe, where they don't have any of these companies, and have even more stringent regulations. China or Russia then? Easy, just ban their services like they do for ours.

Everything you touch or use has a component going through china

We are a market for them. If you're suggesting they would stop selling us anything in response to us blocking a few of their services online, I think you're overestimating their likely response.

Re: House lawmakers release anti-monopoly agenda for “a stronger online economy”

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> Big tech has routinely suppressed conservative voices and violated consumers’ privacy,” said Rep. Gooden. “We must rein in their destructive behavior and preserve the constitutional rights of all Americans.” First, this whole suppressing conservatives voices thing is just totally unhinged from reality. The few tiny examples of this violate clearly defined platform rules (which pale in comparison to the giant gain o…

Do you hear yourself? You are full of yourself. An economy that doesn't work for everyone won't work for anyone.

Re: House lawmakers release anti-monopoly agenda for “a stronger online economy”

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the problem with “breaking up big tech” is it only breaks up american companies. it has a long run impact of letting foreign companies take over american market share

Historically, breaking up monopolies has been very good for the end consumer. Bell Labs and Standard Oil both ended up being good things. Instead of breaking them up though, we should simply be more stringent with anti trust hearings and merger approvals. There have been a few mergers recently that absolutely shouldn’t have been approved.

In both of those cases, consumers were being overcharged for good and services in a variety of concrete economic ways. It's not analogous to the current situation, I don't think. It's not like a broken up Google or Facebook would cease showing ads or show fewer ads. If anything, they'd show more, as we can see from all the random clickbait news sites that are more ad than material. It seems possible that a broken up version of these would be better for ad buyers, but (with my consumer hat on), I don't really care about ad buyers that much. It's hard to picture the broken up sites offering better services.

It will be interesting to see! I'll be fascinated to see the degree to which congress is willing to take on these companies, and the degree to which their views on what should be done are congruent between the parties. I wonder the extent to which differing views on that subject could scuttle any legislation that would really address the concerns.

Re: House lawmakers release anti-monopoly agenda for “a stronger online economy”

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the problem with “breaking up big tech” is it only breaks up american companies. it has a long run impact of letting foreign companies take over american market share

Maybe I’m taking you too literally here but none of the bills in the article talk about splitting companies up. The bills mentioned limit acquisitions of their competitors, increase funding for merger investigations, require data portability, limit self-preferencing on platform, and limit self-preferencing across business areas.

At least this is what is stated in the article. I have not read the bills.

Re: House lawmakers release anti-monopoly agenda for “a stronger online economy”

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> Big tech has routinely suppressed conservative voices and violated consumers’ privacy,” said Rep. Gooden. “We must rein in their destructive behavior and preserve the constitutional rights of all Americans.” First, this whole suppressing conservatives voices thing is just totally unhinged from reality. The few tiny examples of this violate clearly defined platform rules (which pale in comparison to the giant gain o…

I'm a liberal and it's clear that big tech is suppressing dissenting voices. It's not targeted at conservatives specifically, but it captures them in larger number because tech and corporate media is mostly liberal and progressive. As such, conservative is by default a dissenting voice. Edit: See the lab leak hypothesis where big tech was suppressing and even banning people last year for questioning the approved narr…

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Re: House lawmakers release anti-monopoly agenda for “a stronger online economy”

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the problem with “breaking up big tech” is it only breaks up american companies. it has a long run impact of letting foreign companies take over american market share

Historically, breaking up monopolies has been very good for the end consumer. Bell Labs and Standard Oil both ended up being good things. Instead of breaking them up though, we should simply be more stringent with anti trust hearings and merger approvals. There have been a few mergers recently that absolutely shouldn’t have been approved.

Not actually true - Bell Labs was a government created and enforced monopoly, so the break up definitely helped people but it did not earn its 'monopoly' status.

As for Standard Oil at the height of it's market dominance the price of oil went down drastically, and by the time it was broken up it was nowhere near as dominant - iirc it was in the high 60%s of market share.

The only monopolies that ever seem to truly exist and cause harm, are those that are granted special status and favors by the state.

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