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Work from home and productivity: evidence from personnel and analytics data [pdf]

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Re: Work from home and productivity: evidence from personnel and analytics data [pdf]

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Working from home alone is nice the first couple of weeks. Then it becomes boring. Motivation to work decreases significantly. Level of trust to other (mostly new never seen) colleagues become zero. Compassion to the company seizes to exist. Connection to the product, vision and the general 'us' feeling is completely gone. No team spirit, no fun. Yes working from home isn't (in many cases) a big success in the long t…

> Connection to the product, vision and the general 'us' feeling is completely gone

Maybe you just realise that the vision and the 'us' feeling is fake.

Re: Work from home and productivity: evidence from personnel and analytics data [pdf]

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I hope people do not much from this study done in a single IT Service company based in India. One critically important thing to remember is they are "Outlay based" instead of "Outcome based". So things measured are hours billed, time-sheets filled and reports generated. What work got done and was it even half useful to client is of secondary importance at these companies. I interviewed few years back so thing they as…

This study matches what I've heard from other companies, for what it's worth. About a month ago I discussed productivity with someone at one of the large financial companies. They do pretty heavy tracking of employee productivity and noted a pretty significant decrease since everyone's gone WFH. I don't think it's some other factor that caused this decrease for the company in the study. I'm pretty sure it's consisten…

If a company seriously believes that developer productivity can be accurately tracked, why not directly tie compensation to it? It really shouldn't matter at all where work happens in this case.

On the other hand, if they only believe that productivity can only be accurately measured in secret then the "trackers" have some explaining to do in terms of the actual value they are adding to the organization.

Re: Work from home and productivity: evidence from personnel and analytics data [pdf]

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My company started doing a serious WFH 'experiment' about 18 months before COVID hit. The team I oversee consists of a dozen or so teams of about 40-50 developers each, with a manager that reports directly to me. I don't manage the devs directly, but deal with dev productivity and budgets for (amongst other things) staffing. So our N is not small, but not huge either. 50% of our devs - randomly selected - were offere…

This matches my experience as well: Measurably reduced velocity, noticeably higher rates of rejected PRs and broken builds, and a palpable worsening of productivity and team happiness. The strangest part is that if you asked individual developers, they would insist that WFH made them more productive and increased their efficiency. Yet managers and the data universally agreed that the opposite was true. There’s someth…

> It’s a difficult topic to discuss on HN because few of us like to admit that WFH is, on average, a struggle for companies.

These are all very contradictory hypotheses from presumed earlier assertions. I strongly suspect we're not analyzing the dynamics and variables at a sufficiently granular level to synthesize any useful hypotheses. I'm trying to reconcile a set of earlier assertions out of global corporate postures from these recent pronouncements that Covid-WFH (as opposed to true-WFH) leads to productivity declines.

If WFH is an intractable hit to productivity due to lack of butts in seats, then what is the salient difference from outsourcing / offshoring? If the productivity loss of the latter is simply more acceptable due to a cost differential, then we have thus established a clearing price for that productivity loss. Or are the positions not sufficiently similar to draw that parallel?

If so much fortuitous collaboration happens when on-prem that it becomes a compelling cited factor to go on-prem, then are we making the parallel assertion all the effort for planning is not capturing even a significant fraction of this fortuitous dynamic, much of our planning is compellingly guided by Organizational Physical Brownian Motion?

I don't have a strong preference either way. Pay me enough, I'll show up and do the work. But I cut my teeth in a consulting / professional services context where the WFH discussion was very different: pay a premium (weekly round-trip flights) to put butts in on-prem seats, or less for WFH-delivered skills.

From well over a hundred client engagements by now, my personal opinion is there is no one-size-fits-all unless leadership explicitly builds the organization for it. There are definitely different workers who thrive under the different models, and those who under-deliver and abuse their working conditions. It's an incredibly tough leadership decision. I think much of that decision hinges upon how well the organization is led and coordinated. I have observed from my set of clients that WFH done well requires disciplined teams who produce more communications artifacts internally and externally with other teams, and this longer-term tends to encourage more organizational flexibility (because the published information decouples from people and disseminates deeper and faster). For various reasons, on-prem tends to lead to an over-reliance upon verbal, tribal communication modalities in most organizations.

Re: Work from home and productivity: evidence from personnel and analytics data [pdf]

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My company started doing a serious WFH 'experiment' about 18 months before COVID hit. The team I oversee consists of a dozen or so teams of about 40-50 developers each, with a manager that reports directly to me. I don't manage the devs directly, but deal with dev productivity and budgets for (amongst other things) staffing. So our N is not small, but not huge either. 50% of our devs - randomly selected - were offere…

Can you describe the kind of work?

This is exactly the experience we are having, especially on new projects.

I’m starting to wonder if this is a high/low tech issue - maybe WFH works great for tasks that are common but not particularly challenging technically. I can tell you point blank that ASIC, systems, etc. work WFH is super broken when people can’t get face to face on a whiteboard or otherwise.

Re: Work from home and productivity: evidence from personnel and analytics data [pdf]

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Surprised this post isn’t getting more comments. The result is pretty clear with over 10,000 participants in the study. >>Total hours worked increased by roughly 30%, including a rise of 18% in working after normal business hours. Average output did not significantly change. Therefore, productivity fell by about 20%. Time spent on coordination activities and meetings increased, but uninterrupted work hours shrank con…

> Surprised this post isn’t getting more comments. From article: "The company that provided data is one of the world’s largest IT services companies. They have over 150,000 employees who work with clients across the globe. Most work in the home country, a rapidly- developing Asian nation." This is about a half-assed Indian "IT Services" company. (From where I am. Need to specify lest I also be branded as racist white…

Imagine observing lower productivity in HCL, Wipro, Tata, Techmahindra. Having worked with all of them I assume detecting lower productivity would require a mirror to see if they were breathing.

Re: Work from home and productivity: evidence from personnel and analytics data [pdf]

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I remember reading on a different post (can't find it) that productivity went up sharply at the beginning of the pandemic-induced WFH trend, but then subsided over time. The thinking was that people were on their toes early on for fear of being viewed as a slacker, but then once they adjusted to WFH they relaxed. Maybe someone else saw this study...

People were running on adrenaline at first. Then the fatigue of having kids at home and not having the usual ways to let off steam eventually hit.

An obvious possible explanation is that work from home was running on the momentum early on and once people started having to move on to new tasks and new projects work from home got in the way.

Re: Work from home and productivity: evidence from personnel and analytics data [pdf]

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, this was my concern with applying the lessons more broadly. I would love to see a similar assessment for a company that was substantially staffed from other locations to see how much this is a universal picture or not.

I can't mention the company, but I was told from someone at a very large financial company in the US that their productivity tanked over the last year. I won't be surprised if this is generally the case for WFH.

So you heard from a second-hand source that productivity at a bank tanked, and that's making you think that negative WFH productivity is the norm? Maybe base your opinions off a little more information than a friend's story.
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