and another easy good bye to libera.chat
Goodbye Freenode
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Re: Goodbye Freenode
#62So at this point what does Freenode actually have? It seems like no one is left…
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#63The current Libera Chat[0] is everything that Freenode was before rasengan entered the game: a stable IRC network that goes out of its way to be transparent to the communities and projects that use it and to provide them with stability and network operator support, period. The current Fleenode is nothing that Freenode was before rasengan entered the game: it destroyed the stability of all the projects that previously…
According to rasengan, in his current incarnation as root, the irccloud thing wasn't accidental: what accidental irccloud blanket ban? I keep hearing about this? I think all of irccloud got k-lined briefly - shit happens It's intentional for sure. I think someone accidentally removed it. is there a public statement about that anywhere? (and then nobody ever responded as to why, so I'm afraid that's all I know wrt tha…
14:59 IRCCloud was not klined by mistake.
14:59 We don't allow IRCCloud on freenode.
14:59 We offer our own free BNC, if you'd like to use that instead.Re: Goodbye Freenode
#64I happened to experience an interesting incident not long ago related to the subject. After a week or two of uptime, I restarted my PC. As it happened, I reconnected while Freenode was in the middle of a spam wave. Something mistook my client for a spam bot and banned my IP. Oh well, "and nothing of value was lost" I thought and deleted Freenode from my server list. But, later that day, I discovered that I could not…
FWIW, I did something foolish that triggered the spambot detection on Libera, and it likewise propagated my ban to DroneBL.
(It all got removed very quickly when someone was contacted about it, and I have no negative opinion about the experience because, in my case, it very much was of my own making, I just mention it so you're aware that sort of blacklisting is not limited to freenode.)
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#65It is ironic, but not at all surprising to me, that "free speech" in the context of current Freenode means being not enforcing codes of conduct (so being transphobia-friendly among other things), but an iron moderation grip on any criticism of the network itself.
That is going with the times then. Feels like covid politics. So why arent people loving Lee for what they do? After all, "shut up and comply" is the new wave of democratics.
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#66While I agree that Libera is New Freenode and Old Freenode is rapidly dying a death, this whole episode has soured me mightily against Freenode as a whole. This should never have happened in the first place and the blame for it lies squarely at the OldFreenode/Libera admin's feet, not whichever outside actor took advantage of it. The admins are an "old boys network" - not chosen by the community, or elected, but simp…
As the maintainer of one of the more popular IRC server implementations I know a giant chunk of the Libera Chat (formerly freenode) staff pretty well and whilst we may disagree frequently on technical choices they're decent people who were appointed based on technical merit. They pretty much didn't have any say in rasengan seizing control of freenode as Christel sold out the project and lied to the other staff about what what had happened for several years. After Christel was ousted they reorganised and elected teams internally and after the network switch have developed a governance system which requires strong consensus to avoid this ever happening again.[1]
OFTC and Libera Chat aren't as different as you seem to think. There is also a lot of cooperation between the two projects which has been going on for years. Solanum is being developed as a joint project and some staff members are involved with both networks.
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#67While I agree that Libera is New Freenode and Old Freenode is rapidly dying a death, this whole episode has soured me mightily against Freenode as a whole. This should never have happened in the first place and the blame for it lies squarely at the OldFreenode/Libera admin's feet, not whichever outside actor took advantage of it. The admins are an "old boys network" - not chosen by the community, or elected, but simp…
Agree. It would have been great if the old staff and servers would have merged with OFTC, but it seems this wasn't even considered at any point. Nothing seems to have changed in that relation. But oh well, just another network to connect to until everything has maybe moved off freenode.
A clear instance of NIH-Syndrome. Besides, admins want something to admin... Moving to a new home and loosing your status as the guy who is allowed to set the rules isn't very atractive to most... And I even understand that. There must be some motivation to do volunteer work, even if the actual motivation is irritating when actually voiced.
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#68Malicious individuals invariably rely on and take advantage of good faith interpretations of their behavior. This is the only way they are able to continue their abuse for so long. Judge people by their actions.
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#69This drama all reminds me of what happened at DALnet in the early 2000s. A few overzealous IRCops started a purge of all the warez/mp3 scene channels. Everyone suspected RIAA put the pressure on them. I was a channel op with a handful of friends at the time of a popular channel (100-200 members on average). One day I logged on and the channel was invite only. They took the channel via their ChanServ service. Everyone I know either moved to EFnet or Undernet.
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#70„I was constantly messaging people telling them to use a competitor and I was banned.“ the entitlement of these people blow my mind.
What I was doing on Freenode was providing a quick answer to questions, and also pointing out that most people had moved, so better answers were more likely on Libera. I never told people to not answer questions. If people wanted Freenode #python to be a lively place, they were welcome to stay and answer questions. They didn't.
Of course, Freenode is free to decide that my mentioning Libera was a reason to remove me. But I didn't see a clear policy forbidding it (though the policies have been changing daily, so I might have missed it). Just as Freenode is free to remove people, people are free to move to another network. And that is what is happening.
My main point in my blog post was not, "I have been wronged!" My point was, "Freenode is doing this to themselves, but it's OK because Freenode doesn't matter."