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I Miss the Old Internet (2019)

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Re: I Miss the Old Internet (2019)

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Post by rvense »

scambier wrote: post #107
fabbari wrote: post #34

I miss text. It seems now that whenever I search for 'how to do X?' there is a lot of video results for sometimes very trivial things. A 10 minutes video with the usual 'subscribe and hit the bell icon', a word from the sponsor, a long winded introduction and then "click on menu, then click on this item, then select the size".

I almost never watch videos, unless it's the necessary medium for the context (i.e. music teaching or movie analysis), because I _need_ text to learn. But. Two weeks ago there was a small video on Discord that crashed the client when you played it. Here's a 8m30s long video explaining how it works: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuBNQ6tiNcI tl;dw: they used ffmpeg to stitch 2 videos with a different aspect ratio tog…

I learned recently that you can make tea from roasted buckwheat. I googled it, and found a seven minute video of a man making tea with his daughters. And I don't mean an artful exposition or something, just full-on Youtube "yo what's up welcome back to the channel so since last time we've been really loving BUCKWHEAT TEA here's how to make it don't forget to LIKE AND SUBSCRIBE" drivel around pouring water on buckwheat.

Re: I Miss the Old Internet (2019)

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Post by crtasm »

5e92cb50239222b wrote: post #146
scambier wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I almost never watch videos, unless it's the necessary medium for the context (i.e. music teaching or movie analysis), because I _need_ text to learn. But. Two weeks ago there was a small video on Discord that crashed the client when you played it. Here's a 8m30s long video explaining how it works: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuBNQ6tiNcI tl;dw: they used ffmpeg to stitch 2 videos with a different aspect ratio tog…

Why are you not skipping the bullshit? I feed most of my youtube addiction through mpv and have configured several key combinations which allow me to quickly bisect the video. These videos are always full of comments like "why did I have to spend 20 minutes on this", while they never take more than 15 to 20 seconds from me. By the way, with a proper youtube-dl config in place you don't even have to open the browser:…

I recently learned pressing the number keys on youtube.com jumps to 0/10/20/...% of the runtime.

Re: I Miss the Old Internet (2019)

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Post by joshspankit »

fabbari wrote: post #34

I miss text. It seems now that whenever I search for 'how to do X?' there is a lot of video results for sometimes very trivial things. A 10 minutes video with the usual 'subscribe and hit the bell icon', a word from the sponsor, a long winded introduction and then "click on menu, then click on this item, then select the size".

Some days I think about making a service that cuts to the chase.

For example: Put in the URL for that vid (or share-sheet it to the app), and it instantly returns “Click on menu > Item, then select size”

Re: I Miss the Old Internet (2019)

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Post by joshspankit »

joshspankit wrote: post #183
fabbari wrote: post #34

I miss text. It seems now that whenever I search for 'how to do X?' there is a lot of video results for sometimes very trivial things. A 10 minutes video with the usual 'subscribe and hit the bell icon', a word from the sponsor, a long winded introduction and then "click on menu, then click on this item, then select the size".

Some days I think about making a service that cuts to the chase. For example: Put in the URL for that vid (or share-sheet it to the app), and it instantly returns “Click on menu > Item, then select size”

And sometimes when I’m really grumpy I think about just going around and manually doing it by adding comments.

Re: I Miss the Old Internet (2019)

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Post by ozim »

mschuster91 wrote: post #131
ozim wrote: post #25

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That is combination of great points. Most of those niche stuff sits in Facebook groups, I bet there are quite a lot of naturist/whatver groups there (probably not posting photos but organizing events or discussing stuff), you have to follow right people on fb/tt/yt. The creativity is there, for me author of that post misses forest for the trees. Web pages are just secondary artifacts. I don't want my favorite band me…

> Counter culture is about people and what they want to express, sometimes it might be important "how", but for a lot of hobbies "how" is not that much important as long as it is clear and easy to do. The danger is that a lot of counter-culture movements aren't exactly welcomed by the major providers. Anything involving sex or sexuality - no matter if nudists, swingers, poly-amory, LGBT, fetish beyond 50SOG-style or…

Is it a danger?

What is the upside of having nudist/sex-workers/poly amory group having millions of followers?

For all of those activities it is best to keep it in small trusted groups of people. If you are really dedicated to that stuff you will find your way. Then is it really a counter culture if it can have millions of followers?

Re: I Miss the Old Internet (2019)

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Post by oscargrouch »

barney54 wrote: post #60

This sentiment of missing an older internet is one reason like like Hacker News. Slash dot was great in the day. Digg was so great in the day. Then the early days of Reddit were great. I’ve been her for over ten years and Hacker News is still good. So thank you to the team that runs Hacker News and everyone who comments for making it a good place to come to.

Facebook was cool before it allowed to post images and the same goes for reddit. Once the multimedia content was allowed, the incentives changed, the crowd changed and things started to go downhill..

Take a look at HN, no images or videos, so it tends to bring more of the literate crowd.

Re: I Miss the Old Internet (2019)

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Post by joshspankit »

5e92cb50239222b wrote: post #146
scambier wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I almost never watch videos, unless it's the necessary medium for the context (i.e. music teaching or movie analysis), because I _need_ text to learn. But. Two weeks ago there was a small video on Discord that crashed the client when you played it. Here's a 8m30s long video explaining how it works: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuBNQ6tiNcI tl;dw: they used ffmpeg to stitch 2 videos with a different aspect ratio tog…

Why are you not skipping the bullshit? I feed most of my youtube addiction through mpv and have configured several key combinations which allow me to quickly bisect the video. These videos are always full of comments like "why did I have to spend 20 minutes on this", while they never take more than 15 to 20 seconds from me. By the way, with a proper youtube-dl config in place you don't even have to open the browser:…

You’re missing something important: You have built the intuition necessary to pick up on pacing cues so that you can skip ahead and quickly get a sense of where they put the info.

Not everyone understands those cues, and of the ones that understand them not everyone can process them as quickly.

Re: I Miss the Old Internet (2019)

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Post by joshspankit »

scambier wrote: post #176
5e92cb50239222b wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why are you not skipping the bullshit? I feed most of my youtube addiction through mpv and have configured several key combinations which allow me to quickly bisect the video. These videos are always full of comments like "why did I have to spend 20 minutes on this", while they never take more than 15 to 20 seconds from me. By the way, with a proper youtube-dl config in place you don't even have to open the browser:…

> Why are you not skipping the bullshit Honestly? Because I was expecting to hear something interesting at any moment. When I saw the length, I expected to see a technical explanation, a step-by-step how-to, a live example with the ffmpeg CLI. Anything remotely interesting. What I absolutely did not expect was a 6 minutes long "introduction" out of a 8:30 minutes video. All of that to finally say "it's 2 videos stitc…

Is there enough of a market for extremely short YouTube videos so that people could make a living just making “It’s 2 videos stitched together”?

Honestly, my heart wants it to be true.

Re: I Miss the Old Internet (2019)

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Post by BeFlatXIII »

Mediterraneo10 wrote: post #127
torh wrote: post #52

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I have been playing with the idea of making good old internet portal. A curated list of links to the good stuff. No FB, medium, Instagram or anything like that.

Portals are still sometimes made to make it easier to discover independent content, you aren't the only one concerned about this. However, the problem is that independent creators often stop paying for hosting or domain registration at some point, so any manually created directory eventually abounds with 404s.

What about a curated directory of archive links to decrease the rate of link rot?

Re: I Miss the Old Internet (2019)

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Post by andrepd »

SV_BubbleTime wrote: post #168
npteljes wrote: post #74

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I agree. I think HN in the perfect combination of the old internet, with the text-only posts, and the web 2.0 way of doing likes and threaded conversations. And, of course, the moderation keeping it all in check. I'm grateful that I can come here every day.

Includes the very worst part of echo chambering though. Don’t like someone OR their comment? Just do your part with three other people and it’ll be faded, once it’s faded other people will join in hiding the bad man who said the bad thing - and gone! No more contrarian opinion, we protected other people! Everyone agrees now. How wonderful.

How ironic.

I agree, downvote-based discussions invariably lead to echo chambers / monocultures. See the dumpster fire that are reddit comments.

At least on old-time forums there was no such bullshit (except post count :)).

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