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Social media are turbocharging the export of America’s political culture

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Re: Social media are turbocharging the export of America’s political culture

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Post by buildingmateri »

kwdc wrote: post #48
ehnto wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Australians knew more about American politics day to day during Trumps presidency than we did our own politics. It was surreal.

Not being in the bubble makes it easier to see the absurdities of the US system. Also, watching journalists go after Trump for the wrong reasons was quite an eye opener. Especially when the many valid reasons to go after Trump were often not pursued deeply enough. Same applies to Hillary. And Obama. Just wow. Plenty of things Trump was attacked for promoting were in fact Obama-era initiatives. Journalism in the US is…

Would take it further and say not just the media but also some powerful forces in DC going after him undemocratically, seemingly his whole presidency... the russia investigation revelations, nunes etc, and ukraine call impeachment stuff, really made it clear there was a concerted effort to remove a DC outsider. Not a fan of trump but am a fan of democratic institutions.

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Post by wolverine876 »

America provides the means by which political culture flows, such as via Twitter and Facebook, but remember that a significant portion (of unknown size to me) of American social media rhetoric is imported. Where did trolling, nationalism, troll farms, hate speech, nihilism, mass-scale disinformation - where did each of those originate?

I'm not implying an answer, by the way. I don't know; is there any research? My point is that there is no reason to believe any or all began in the U.S. We know at least about troll farms exporting rhetoric to the U.S., and that many of the ideas and rhetorical styles were more popular in places outside the U.S. before social media (such as inflammatory anti-immigrant rhetoric).

Possibly, whoever exported them to the U.S. also exported them to other places. There is some evidence: We can see the rise of similar politics, especially right-wing populist nationalism, in many countries approximately simultaneously, including India, China, Europe, Russia, South America, the U.S., and many more. That wasn't popular politics 20 years ago.

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Post by naruvimama »

treeman79 wrote: post #29
dismayedbycorp wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Can you imagine corporate policy of SF or Menlo Park sets what people in Mumbai or Seoul can discuss regarding SARS-Cov-2? You don't have to imagine of course, it already does. Also, last year someone mentioned here that joebiden.info (which AFAICT is just a website with a collection of inconvenient clips and reports on Biden, maybe misinterpreted to fit an agenda in some cases) was censored in Messenger, seemingly…

Was quite shocking the first time my message got blocked. I am part of autoimmune support groups where plaqunial is a normal treatment. Pre pandemic. Get constant warnings and fact checks about plaqunial. Friends regularly have their post “fact checked” of course always by liberal sources. Full blown 1984 / animal farm these days.

You seem to be experiencing it right here. People down voting you, your personal experience does not fit their politics.

I wish people always use quotes as in "liberal"

Re: Social media are turbocharging the export of America’s political culture

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Post by 3grdlurker »

mc32 wrote: post #14

What's a bit ironic to me is that this extension of US cultural hegemony used to be derided as cultural imperialism back a few decades ago before other cultural exports became vogue (Anime, K-Pop, etc.) when it was the US vs everyone else. But now, many of the people who would have decried this kind of hegemonic influence delight in it. They delight in the fact we can establish norms for communication and discourse n…

It is cultural imperialism. Just because the people participating in it do not notice that it is doesn’t make it not so.

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Post by atlgator »

I would not be surprised if there is a billionaire and/or large nation state pushing this all over. If you can stir up social issues to stymie productivity, it makes it easy to grow your own economy. Even easier if your country is homogenous and doesn't have a legacy of racism to atone for.

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Post by peytn »

wolverine876 wrote: post #67
dasb wrote: post #43

It's funny when radical progressivists in my country try to translate the "white male" cliché into our local context, because white (as in caucasian white) people are are less than 5% of our population.

It doesn't sound difficult to me. It has nothing to do with whiteness and maleness; it's about political power. If there is a group that is a dominant political power, it's the same thing. That's why issues of 'reverse racism' are a different problem: Discrimination is about power, not race. If American Buddhists are discriminatory against Baptists, it's obnoxious but not an issue of oppression or much threat to Bapt…

I think GP was saying the opposite, i.e. it’s nominally about political power as you said, but in the local context they’re going after white men who have no political power and ignoring politically powerful groups.

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Post by goatse_aas »

mc32 wrote: post #14

What's a bit ironic to me is that this extension of US cultural hegemony used to be derided as cultural imperialism back a few decades ago before other cultural exports became vogue (Anime, K-Pop, etc.) when it was the US vs everyone else. But now, many of the people who would have decried this kind of hegemonic influence delight in it. They delight in the fact we can establish norms for communication and discourse n…

> But now, many of the people who would have decried this kind of hegemonic influence delight in it.

> it's quite ironic listening to people on social media talking down "American Imperialism"

Typical retarded horseshit from "Hacker" News.

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Post by naruvimama »

mc32 wrote: post #14

What's a bit ironic to me is that this extension of US cultural hegemony used to be derided as cultural imperialism back a few decades ago before other cultural exports became vogue (Anime, K-Pop, etc.) when it was the US vs everyone else. But now, many of the people who would have decried this kind of hegemonic influence delight in it. They delight in the fact we can establish norms for communication and discourse n…

For some of us from excolonies, this is starting to feel like neocolonialism.

We see our elected leaders bending the knee to the new east India company.

It looks like we have been recolonised before we could decolonise.

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Post by akomtu »

TrispusAttucks wrote: post #24
throwawaysea wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This sounds like the “intellectual matrix” the French education minister wrote about recently: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/09/world/europe/france-threa... > French politicians, high-profile intellectuals and journalists are warning that progressive American ideas — specifically on race, gender, post-colonialism — are undermining their society. “There’s a battle to wage against an intellectual matrix from American…

I think you're being down voted but you speak the truth. The current division, strife, and lack of unity in western society is in large part due to misinformation, propaganda, and psyops from adversaries. The primary goal is to make personal identity politics more important than national allegiances so that we rot from the inside out. We're not in the cold war anymore. We are in the Ice War.

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