As religious faith has declined, ideological intensity has risen
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#3I wish we had a world where the discernment between science, axiom and ideology was a real thing ironed into the public muscle memory as much as ideology itself. Idealism.
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#4As predicted by Nietzsche.
For a great modern explainer, check out Beyond Reason, by Jordan Peterson. Rule VI, abandon ideology covers this.
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#5The article says that people need not just political engagement but contemplation, standing outside the present moment and communing with something beyond. But is that a view that Americans now necessarily share? One concept that maybe has become quietly mainstream is materialism. (By that, however, I am not claiming that supporters of whatever American political camp are literally Marxists.) That is, any kind of moment away from present-day political struggles might be viewed as capitulation or as callously ignoring the plight of the oppressed.
As a non-American, I get the impression that this is a growing trend from it appearing even on e.g. internet literature forums in the last few years: poets writing abstract work at a distance from the political concerns of the present and seeking a certain timelessness and glimpse of eternity (think T.S. Eliot in “Burnt Norton”) sometimes get called, by the Americans present, socially irresponsible and doing nothing for POC.
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#6I think this correlation is related to causation. I think there are registers in people's minds that are simply occupied.
Addicts occupy their predisposition to addiction with a single or ever changing way of neglecting their responsibilities and relationships and health, based on simple earliest exposure.
Susceptible people occupy their predisposition to susceptibility with religion or fervent ideology, the "choice" being simply the earliest exposure.
Whichever one shows up first occupies that part of their mind. No different than a simpler organism impressing who its mother and caretaker is.
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#7The article says that people need not just political engagement but contemplation, standing outside the present moment and communing with something beyond. But is that a view that Americans now necessarily share? One concept that maybe has become quietly mainstream is materialism. (By that, however, I am not claiming that supporters of whatever American political camp are literally Marxists.) That is, any kind of mom…
Surely Marxism is an abstraction from present-day political struggles? Capitalism didn't appear yesterday.
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#8As predicted by Nietzsche. For a great modern explainer, check out Beyond Reason, by Jordan Peterson. Rule VI, abandon ideology covers this.
Not at all ironic that you're being downvoted in this thread.
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#9>Immigrants to America tend to become American; emigrants to other countries from America tend to stay American.
Is that true, or just the authors' speculation? Although it is easily explained. Everyone wants to be American because the USA, of all the countries in the world offers the greatest opportunities to the greatest number of people. They are the top of the food chain, in less nationalistic terms. (i'm not American btw but i can see the truth).
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#10I feel that many issues are not only a confusion of values, but a confusion of what values even _are_. There is some cookie cutter bullshit about what is "good" or "bad" and this is used to paint a broad and incoherent picture which breaks down the structures it is painted on. Like confusing ageism with public policy of how to handle disease. Or being idealistic to avoide concern over secondary consequences. You can be called a lot of names by trying to point out secondary consequences which harm certain woke policy choices. When did someone decide there were clear answers to challenging issues and cut off further debate?