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Re: Etymology of the Word “Lord”

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Post by asveikau »

Old English has that quality where you can squint at it being a modern English speaker and it almost makes sense. "Loaf ward" sounds like a fair description, if clumsy, of somebody who guards bread.

But then "ward" is often a building or section, or, a minor under protection. Maybe "warden" keeps the meaning while being etymologically similar.

Edit: after a bit of googling it seems that ward and warden are cognates (alongside guard and others), but the former is from Old English, and the latter is a later import from French, though French speakers got it from Germanic sources.

Re: Etymology of the Word “Lord”

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Post by slver »

asveikau wrote: post #11

Old English has that quality where you can squint at it being a modern English speaker and it almost makes sense. "Loaf ward" sounds like a fair description, if clumsy, of somebody who guards bread. But then "ward" is often a building or section, or, a minor under protection. Maybe "warden" keeps the meaning while being etymologically similar. Edit: after a bit of googling it seems that ward and warden are cognates (…

Do you have a few minutes to spare to hear about God, our loaf ward and cheese savior?

Re: Etymology of the Word “Lord”

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Post by Nux »

Derek_Mudaxe wrote: post #9
kebman wrote: post #2

Bread in Russian means хлеб (khleb), and in Bulgarian хляб (khlyab). IMHO not so different from Old English hlaf. In Norwegian we use the word loff for white and soft bread, and as far as I know Brits call it a loaf of bread. But everyday bread is just brød in Norwegian, which is of course very similar to the English word bread. Interestingly I know Life of Boris likes his бутерброд (buterbrod), which is basically a…

A slice of bread with butter is not a sandwich, it's just bread and butter or buttered bread. Sandwich is a placename, sandy vik, the food item is named after an earl/eoarl/yarl/jarl (take your pick).

In other words "sandwich" is an eponym.

Re: Etymology of the Word “Lord”

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Post by Derek_Mudaxe »

Nux wrote: post #14
Derek_Mudaxe wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A slice of bread with butter is not a sandwich, it's just bread and butter or buttered bread. Sandwich is a placename, sandy vik, the food item is named after an earl/eoarl/yarl/jarl (take your pick).

In other words "sandwich" is an eponym.

Sometimes yes, sometimes no, it depends on the context.

Re: Etymology of the Word “Lord”

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Post by beebeepka »

kebman wrote: post #2

Bread in Russian means хлеб (khleb), and in Bulgarian хляб (khlyab). IMHO not so different from Old English hlaf. In Norwegian we use the word loff for white and soft bread, and as far as I know Brits call it a loaf of bread. But everyday bread is just brød in Norwegian, which is of course very similar to the English word bread. Interestingly I know Life of Boris likes his бутерброд (buterbrod), which is basically a…

It's actually "hlyab" / "hleb", without the extra "k". We are not Arabs.

On a related note, an old friend of mine was really into Norwegian back in the day. He used to say Norwegian is very similar to English. Is that true?

Re: Etymology of the Word “Lord”

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Post by throw0101a »

baggy_trough wrote: post #10
whatshisface wrote: post #6

Give us this day our daily bread.

Nobody really knows how to translate the "daily" in that sentence because it's a word that appears nowhere else.

For anyone curious:

> Epiousios (ἐπιούσιος) is a Greek adjective used in the Lord's Prayer verse "Τὸν ἄρτον ἡμῶν τὸν ἐπιούσιον δὸς ἡμῖν σήμερον"[a] 'Give us today our epiousion bread'. Because the word is used nowhere else, its meaning is unclear. It is traditionally translated as "daily", but most modern scholars reject that interpretation.

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epiousios

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hapax_legomenon

Re: Etymology of the Word “Lord”

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Post by hanche »

slver wrote: post #13
asveikau wrote: post #11

Old English has that quality where you can squint at it being a modern English speaker and it almost makes sense. "Loaf ward" sounds like a fair description, if clumsy, of somebody who guards bread. But then "ward" is often a building or section, or, a minor under protection. Maybe "warden" keeps the meaning while being etymologically similar. Edit: after a bit of googling it seems that ward and warden are cognates (…

Do you have a few minutes to spare to hear about God, our loaf ward and cheese savior?

I love cheeses and cheeses loves me.

Re: Etymology of the Word “Lord”

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Post by OJFord »

slver wrote: post #13
asveikau wrote: post #11

Old English has that quality where you can squint at it being a modern English speaker and it almost makes sense. "Loaf ward" sounds like a fair description, if clumsy, of somebody who guards bread. But then "ward" is often a building or section, or, a minor under protection. Maybe "warden" keeps the meaning while being etymologically similar. Edit: after a bit of googling it seems that ward and warden are cognates (…

Do you have a few minutes to spare to hear about God, our loaf ward and cheese savior?

Blesséd are the cheese saviours?

Re: Etymology of the Word “Lord”

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Post by progre »

throwaway894345 wrote: post #5
kebman wrote: post #2

Bread in Russian means хлеб (khleb), and in Bulgarian хляб (khlyab). IMHO not so different from Old English hlaf. In Norwegian we use the word loff for white and soft bread, and as far as I know Brits call it a loaf of bread. But everyday bread is just brød in Norwegian, which is of course very similar to the English word bread. Interestingly I know Life of Boris likes his бутерброд (buterbrod), which is basically a…

If you like grain and etymology, you might like the etymology of “barn”: > barn (n.): "covered building for the storage of farm produce," Old English bereærn "barn," literally "barley house," from bere "barley" (see barley) + aern "house," metathesized from rann, rasn (source also of Old Norse rann "large house," Gothic razn "house," Old English rest "resting place"). For the formation, compare Old English sealtærn "…

And "tun" (enclosure, in Swedish the word means the space between farmhouses on a farm) is the root of the english word "town".
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