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A Mycological Foray: A new look at John Cage and his mushroom obsession (2020)

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Re: A Mycological Foray: A new look at John Cage and his mushroom obsession (2020)

#11
It's fascinating how these articles create drama without any justification.

There's no "mushroom obsession", JC simply did all the usual stuff that a passionate mushroom hunter would do.

He wrote a book about mushrooms? Obsessed! He accidently poisoned himself? Unheard of for passionate mushroom hunters!

Re: A Mycological Foray: A new look at John Cage and his mushroom obsession (2020)

#12

It's fascinating how these articles create drama without any justification. There's no "mushroom obsession", JC simply did all the usual stuff that a passionate mushroom hunter would do. He wrote a book about mushrooms? Obsessed! He accidently poisoned himself? Unheard of for passionate mushroom hunters!

> He accidently poisoned himself? Unheard of for passionate mushroom hunters!

Poisoning yourself with false hellebore suggests he might have been a little unhinged. You’d have to be pretty impulsive to do that.

Re: A Mycological Foray: A new look at John Cage and his mushroom obsession (2020)

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Mushrooms are fascinating. Can't blame this guy for digging them. Did you know that mushrooms (fungi to be precise) are not a plant and are not an animal? They are so special that they have their own biological kingdom. ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fungus )

That’s like… elementary school knowledge.

Re: A Mycological Foray: A new look at John Cage and his mushroom obsession (2020)

#14

It's fascinating how these articles create drama without any justification. There's no "mushroom obsession", JC simply did all the usual stuff that a passionate mushroom hunter would do. He wrote a book about mushrooms? Obsessed! He accidently poisoned himself? Unheard of for passionate mushroom hunters!

> He accidently poisoned himself? Unheard of for passionate mushroom hunters! Poisoning yourself with false hellebore suggests he might have been a little unhinged. You’d have to be pretty impulsive to do that.

Speaking of unhinged mushroom hunting behavior, it's interesting to look at the New York Mycological Society (NYMS) Newsletter from 2017: https://www.newyorkmyc.org/newsletters/NYMS_17_2E.pdf

>On May 15th last year, we took an early trip to our family cabin in the central Adirondacks to see if we could catch the beginning of morel season there.

>We walked down a dirt road for a mile until we came to numerous splits in the road.

>While taking a closer look through a loupe, Riitta, who was a few steps ahead, squealed with delight. She had found something special! But it was not a Morchella americana. She knew it as the choice edible Korvasieni (Finnish for “ear mushroom”). We knew it as the deadly poisonous Gyromitra esculenta, the false morel.

>We knew that these were potentially deadly poisonous, but that some people do eat them when prepared properly.

>However, according to Wikipedia “although it is still commonly parboiled before preparation, evidence suggests that even this procedure may not make Gyromitra escu-lenta entirely safe for consumption, thus raising concerns of risk even when prepared properly. When consumed, the principal active agent, gyromitrin, is hydrolyzed into the toxic compound monomethylhydrazine (MMH - a com-ponent of rocket fuel). The toxin affects the liver, central nervous system, and sometimes the kidneys. Symptoms of poisoning involve vomiting and diarrhea several hours after consumption, followed by dizziness, lethargy and head-ache. Severe cases may lead to delirium, coma and death after 5-7 days.” Yikes!

>Rinse the mushrooms thoroughly in plenty of running cold water. Repeat once more the boiling and rinsing of the mushrooms. Drain the mushrooms and use for cooking like any edible mushroom.After doing this with all the windows open in our kitchen, trying our best to avoid inhaling the poisonous fumes, and cautiously boiling twice for 11 minutes, we cooked up the false morels in lots of butter and onions.

Re: A Mycological Foray: A new look at John Cage and his mushroom obsession (2020)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> He accidently poisoned himself? Unheard of for passionate mushroom hunters! Poisoning yourself with false hellebore suggests he might have been a little unhinged. You’d have to be pretty impulsive to do that.

Speaking of unhinged mushroom hunting behavior, it's interesting to look at the New York Mycological Society (NYMS) Newsletter from 2017: https://www.newyorkmyc.org/newsletters/NYMS_17_2E.pdf >On May 15th last year, we took an early trip to our family cabin in the central Adirondacks to see if we could catch the beginning of morel season there. >We walked down a dirt road for a mile until we came to numerous splits i…

Yeah there are a lot of mushrooms that are listed as deadly poisonous in field guides, but that lots of people eat anyway. And there are other mushrooms that are listed as edible, but that kill some of the people who eat them.

I've never eaten false morels, although if I were at Noma or something I'd probably try the soup. Eating them outside of a geographic region where there is a history of eating them is definitely especially questionable, although I don't know that I'd necessarily consider it unhinged. At least they knew exactly what they were eating and made an informed decision.

Re: A Mycological Foray: A new look at John Cage and his mushroom obsession (2020)

#16

So far no comments upon the artist/composer J.Cage interesting and intellectual, perhaps soon to be lost to time. Is he the American analog to Joseph Beuys or maybe the American zeitgeist makes them incomparable?

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Re: A Mycological Foray: A new look at John Cage and his mushroom obsession (2020)

#17

This article did not address whether he ever took magic mushrooms. I was hoping to find out!

Kind of funny my last thoughts when leaving the article was I wonder if he also took magic mushrooms and if that influenced his music at all?

Re: A Mycological Foray: A new look at John Cage and his mushroom obsession (2020)

#18
>"(His class on mushroom identification at the New School for Social Research was immensely popular.) How Cage accidentally poisoned himself and some friends"

I just read it and find this delightful, independently of John Cage. This formulation begs the question about how many of the students of this "immensely popular" class were later accident prone.

Maybe is voluntary humour from the part of the author, but I'd not bet on that.

Re: A Mycological Foray: A new look at John Cage and his mushroom obsession (2020)

#19
post #2

Mushrooms are fascinating. Can't blame this guy for digging them. Did you know that mushrooms (fungi to be precise) are not a plant and are not an animal? They are so special that they have their own biological kingdom. ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fungus )

That’s like… elementary school knowledge.

Looks like you're one of today's lucky 10,000 about today's lucky 10,000

https://xkcd.com/1053/

Re: A Mycological Foray: A new look at John Cage and his mushroom obsession (2020)

#20
post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s like… elementary school knowledge.

Looks like you're one of today's lucky 10,000 about today's lucky 10,000 https://xkcd.com/1053/

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