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Microsoft support page says Windows 10 “retirement date” is 2025

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Re: Microsoft support page says Windows 10 “retirement date” is 2025

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Post by Black101 »

duxup wrote: post #3

I'll be honest. I kinda lost track of windows, android, iOS versions at some point. And I think that's probably ok... I use it, it works, there ya go. Most everything I do really isn't OS dependent. I do fondly remember the days when OS upgrades was a huge change. I'll always fondly think of the Rolling Stone's "Start Me Up" and trying out OS/2 and various Linux flavors and so on. I used to spend HOURS customizing my…

> I kinda lost track of windows, android, iOS versions at some point.

I agree with Android but how can you loose track of Windows version when each of them last something like 10 years?

If they could roll-back to Win2k, I would be happy.

Re: Microsoft support page says Windows 10 “retirement date” is 2025

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Post by ravenstine »

grumpyprole wrote: post #164
ravenstine wrote: post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How long have you been using Gnome for? I'd been a while for me, but back when I was using Linux it seemed like Nautilus was frequently dropping features for things I didn't care about. https://www.techrepublic.com/blog/linux-and-open-source/gnom... Gnome may be different now, but they were part of a pattern in the GNU/Linux community that ultimately caused me to leave it. I knew I couldn't rely on either Gnome or di…

I've been using i3 up until recently. I'm trying out Gnome because it works out-of-the-box and e.g. Sway does not. Yes the software churn is rather worrying. I hope they learn from the mistakes.

The thing that irks me more than churn is not providing pathways forward. It's like, if you're going to get rid of bookmarks, then either give me an add-on that brings them back or give me time to adjust to not having bookmarks. Gnome used to be one of the worst at communicating their intentions. You never knew what you were going to get if you were going to upgrade Gnome. But I come from the philosophy of frontend JavaScript development where everything is announced, has a deprecation warnings, features extracted into libraries, and so forth. The people who work on GNU/Linux related development come off as very arrogant in their decision making, even if they aren't intending to be arrogant.

Just so people are aware, I understand that things could have changed in the last 9 years. However, those kind of user experiences can permanently ruin the reputation of OSS projects.

Re: Microsoft support page says Windows 10 “retirement date” is 2025

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Post by grumpyprole »

tssva wrote: post #182
willtim wrote: post #9

Windows definitely needs improving. I tried the Gnome 40 desktop recently and it's much more polished, consistent and refined.

Does it still crash every 15 minutes because that is what it did for me when I tried Fedora 34?

Well Fedora is bleeding edge, RedHat's equivalent to Windows insider builds. Try Ubuntu LTS or Debian.

Re: Microsoft support page says Windows 10 “retirement date” is 2025

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Post by willtim »

alexvoda wrote: post #122
willtim wrote: post #29

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Yep, shows thumbnails for pictures, videos, pdfs etc. More formats than Windows in fact. Windows has been standing still, the rest of the world hasn't. EDIT: I used "Files", not the file picker.

You sure about that? I see the bug is still open: https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gtk/-/issues/233 This is not about thumbnails in the file manager but about the file chooser (open/save dialog). I believe the following post is still relevant: https://jayfax.neocities.org/mediocrity/gnome-has-no-thumbna... At least KDE does this properly: https://www.ubuntubuzz.com/2021/04/comparison-of-file-choose...

KDE looks really good too, but I mostly prefer the minimalism/simplicity/aesthetic of Gnome.

Re: Microsoft support page says Windows 10 “retirement date” is 2025

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Post by binbag »

PascLeRasc wrote: post #171
binbag wrote: post #84

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The windows hating is so boring and childish. Windows, and particularly Windows 10, is a very good OS. It's not even open source advocates that dislike it so much. I think most Linux users would admit Windows is a solid option, if just not for them. It's usually just Mac fans.

You’re right, I guess as a Mac fan I’m biased. I’m used to having luxury features like local accounts and being allowed to disable updates. It’s not fair to expect that from Windows.

Why bother about how the windows installation process works or their policy for permanently disabling updates? If they changed those things would it really make you want to use Windows? I suspect not. Most people who use Windows are fine with having a MS account and fine with regular updates.

Re: Microsoft support page says Windows 10 “retirement date” is 2025

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Post by zxzax »

ravenstine wrote: post #183
grumpyprole wrote: post #164

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I've been using i3 up until recently. I'm trying out Gnome because it works out-of-the-box and e.g. Sway does not. Yes the software churn is rather worrying. I hope they learn from the mistakes.

The thing that irks me more than churn is not providing pathways forward. It's like, if you're going to get rid of bookmarks, then either give me an add-on that brings them back or give me time to adjust to not having bookmarks. Gnome used to be one of the worst at communicating their intentions. You never knew what you were going to get if you were going to upgrade Gnome. But I come from the philosophy of frontend J…

You are perceiving arrogance where there is none. These are volunteer-driven projects, for better or worse the deal has always been "take it or leave it," or fork it if that's what you prefer. If there is something you want extracted into a library, just go and extract it and make the library. Of course if you choose to abandon it entirely then it's going to be a total crapshoot if it improves the way you want it to.

Re: Microsoft support page says Windows 10 “retirement date” is 2025

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Post by zxzax »

alexvoda wrote: post #155
willtim wrote: post #107

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Ah yes I used "Files" and not the file picker. I guess the file picker is part of GTK and therefore cannot use the rest of the gnome infrastructure?

The reason does not matter. It really is truly, absolutely irrelevant. If Windows has issues with paths longer than 260 chars (only PARTIALLY fixed since Windows 10, v1607), I do not care that NTFS actually has no problem and supports 32,767 Unicode characters and the actual problem is the Windows API (and since v1607, apps that have not been updated to support the new behaviour). It is an example of a bug/limitation…

If there are issues you'd like to see fixed, the best way to get those dealt with would be to contribute.

Re: Microsoft support page says Windows 10 “retirement date” is 2025

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Post by alexvoda »

zxzax wrote: post #189
alexvoda wrote: post #155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The reason does not matter. It really is truly, absolutely irrelevant. If Windows has issues with paths longer than 260 chars (only PARTIALLY fixed since Windows 10, v1607), I do not care that NTFS actually has no problem and supports 32,767 Unicode characters and the actual problem is the Windows API (and since v1607, apps that have not been updated to support the new behaviour). It is an example of a bug/limitation…

If there are issues you'd like to see fixed, the best way to get those dealt with would be to contribute.

I would very much like to see the file chooser/ open and save dialog in GTK fixed because it affects a lot of software even if one is not using Gnome. It affects Firefox on Linux on all DEs, it even affects Gimp on Windows. I am not a GTK/C/Vala programmer though.

I would like for gnome apps to behave better when opened on DEs other than Gnome.

Other than that, I don't really care about Gnome. I use Plasma on Linux.

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