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Re: Fewer young men are in the labor force, more are living at home

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Post by whiskyant » Fri, Jun 11, 2021, 9:09 PM UTC

UncleOxidant wrote: post #113

I've got two nephews aged 34 and 32 who still live at home and play video games all the time and rarely leave their rooms. Neither has ever had a job that lasted more than a month or so. Neither ever learned to drive even though they live in a town with little or no public transit. They haven't had any education beyond high school. They seem wholly unprepared to navigate life without their parents. It's a slow motion…

It's the parents fault for coddling them. If they kicked them out at 18, the nephews would definitely need to work and may realize the importance of having a better job/career.

Re: Fewer young men are in the labor force, more are living at home

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Post by emerged » Fri, Jun 11, 2021, 9:09 PM UTC

usrusr wrote: post #132

UncleOxidant wrote: post #113

I've got two nephews aged 34 and 32 who still live at home and play video games all the time and rarely leave their rooms. Neither has ever had a job that lasted more than a month or so. Neither ever learned to drive even though they live in a town with little or no public transit. They haven't had any education beyond high school. They seem wholly unprepared to navigate life without their parents. It's a slow motion…

I know someone who used to fit that description quite well and then apparently made it out at some point between 35 and 40. Seems like there is always room for a surprise improvement left.

It’s like drug or alcohol addiction. People can become somewhat “born again” usually after some kind of catastrophe and/or “rock bottom” moment. Parents allowing this from their adult children are akin to addict enablers.

Re: Fewer young men are in the labor force, more are living at home

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Post by troupe » Fri, Jun 11, 2021, 9:09 PM UTC

vidanay wrote: post #104

I really wish this stigma against living "at home" would go away. Multigenerational homes has been the standard for thousands of years, and still is in large portions of the world.

The title of the article says that they aren't pursuing employment. The fact they are living at home is explaining how they do that. At least in the article I read it as being stigma against people just staying at their parents homes and playing video games--not against multigenerational homes where young men were working.

Re: Fewer young men are in the labor force, more are living at home

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Post by bektok2 » Fri, Jun 11, 2021, 9:09 PM UTC

UncleOxidant wrote: post #113

I've got two nephews aged 34 and 32 who still live at home and play video games all the time and rarely leave their rooms. Neither has ever had a job that lasted more than a month or so. Neither ever learned to drive even though they live in a town with little or no public transit. They haven't had any education beyond high school. They seem wholly unprepared to navigate life without their parents. It's a slow motion…

Time for some tough love and kick them out. Not doing them any favors enabling their laziness.

Re: Fewer young men are in the labor force, more are living at home

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Post by paulddraper » Fri, Jun 11, 2021, 9:09 PM UTC

UncleOxidant wrote: post #113

I've got two nephews aged 34 and 32 who still live at home and play video games all the time and rarely leave their rooms. Neither has ever had a job that lasted more than a month or so. Neither ever learned to drive even though they live in a town with little or no public transit. They haven't had any education beyond high school. They seem wholly unprepared to navigate life without their parents. It's a slow motion…

In Tacoma, I lived nextdoor to a guy who "hurt his back" when he was 22.

As far as I can tell, he'll sit on his couch collecting disability until 65, at which point he'll switch to retirement.

Re: Fewer young men are in the labor force, more are living at home

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Post by MattGaiser » Fri, Jun 11, 2021, 9:11 PM UTC

I have a very multicultural background, but the dominant cultural view, at least when it comes to money, is Chinese.

For us, living at home is not failure. Moving out without planning to start a family if you live in the same city as your parents is considered wasting money. You instead use it as an opportunity to save a pile of money and invest.

How much of this is just cultural change? It isn't failure to launch. It is wanting to launch with a larger rocket with more fuel.

Re: Fewer young men are in the labor force, more are living at home

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Post by tomp » Fri, Jun 11, 2021, 9:11 PM UTC

kogepathic wrote: post #17

andrewmcwatters wrote: post #7

I see this on the fringes of those within my circle of friends. I know one man in this age cohort who doesn't seem to have a job, just plays video games all the time, and I don't get it. But one thing I think about is what he has been exposed to: this is what he knows. I don't think this individual I'm speaking of was raised with anything differently. In this same light, as I believe the two concepts are directly rel…

> another friend of mine basically refuses to date anymore because he thinks the sort of culture of Tinder dating is a waste of time that favors women disproportionately. My female friends (I'm male) with online dating profiles have shown me their matches and conversations, and it's bleak. They all mostly have an average profile and still receive thousands of likes/hearts/swipes and messages, but the mean amount of e…

This complaint should be taken about as seriously as a rich person complaining how hard it is to be rich.

Every woman can put herself in a man's position of no matches - just delete Tinder. Every rich person can become poor - just give away all their money.

Yet they don't. It's called revealed preferences. Because having options, no matter how bad, is better than not having options.

Re: Fewer young men are in the labor force, more are living at home

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Post by whiskyant » Fri, Jun 11, 2021, 9:11 PM UTC

JPKab wrote: post #191

UncleOxidant wrote: post #113

I've got two nephews aged 34 and 32 who still live at home and play video games all the time and rarely leave their rooms. Neither has ever had a job that lasted more than a month or so. Neither ever learned to drive even though they live in a town with little or no public transit. They haven't had any education beyond high school. They seem wholly unprepared to navigate life without their parents. It's a slow motion…

Do you think that video game addiction contributes to this kind of thing, or is the video game addiction a coping mechanism? I think video game addiction is an incredibly underreported and highly destructive phenomenon. I encounter (and had to fire a few days ago) lots of young men who don't appear to ever sleep, and are highly unproductive, unmotivated, and constantly distracted. The kid I had to fire (I call him ki…

I don't think video games have anything to do with it. Humans are naturally lazy, and if all your needs are being taken care of for you, then you'll naturally seek entertainment for your boredom.

They could do all sorts of things in their spare time, from watching tv shows, movies, youtube, anime, browsing reddit/twitter/instagram/tiktok, etc.

Re: Fewer young men are in the labor force, more are living at home

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Post by ihsw » Fri, Jun 11, 2021, 9:11 PM UTC

UncleOxidant wrote: post #136

usrusr wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know someone who used to fit that description quite well and then apparently made it out at some point between 35 and 40. Seems like there is always room for a surprise improvement left.

Yeah, well, maybe. But currently they don't seem to have any motivation which is a prerequisite to improvement. I think their parents should provide that motivation by being a good bit tougher on them. They sometimes try this, but then go soft on them again after not very long.

This is the destiny of all men in a world dominated by radical feminist ideology.

Both they (your nephews) and the radical feminists in charge (eg: Biden/Harris Administration) look at this situation without blinking and both come to the same conclusion, "if they're employed then they're taking a job away from a woman" and "not a bug, working as intended, won't-fix."

Re: Fewer young men are in the labor force, more are living at home

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Post by troupe » Fri, Jun 11, 2021, 9:11 PM UTC

shimonabi wrote: post #176

troupe wrote: post #160

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you in a field where you need to work onsite or can you work remotely?

The boss at my firm doesn't understand the concept of remote work. I did the job interview with my mask on and when there were hard restrictions on moving between cities in my country, so I had to have a signed document with me if the policed stopped me. I got my second shot 2 weeks ago and I'm working as usual.

Perhaps at your firm, but if the work you do doesn't require you to be onsite, there are other firms that may not have a problem with remote work.