I believe Windows 11 will be running atop Linux.
Linux on the desktop :)
looks at calendar Is this the year yet? :D
Microsoft support page says Windows 10 “retirement date” is 2025
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Re: Microsoft support page says Windows 10 “retirement date” is 2025
#142I'll be honest. I kinda lost track of windows, android, iOS versions at some point. And I think that's probably ok... I use it, it works, there ya go. Most everything I do really isn't OS dependent. I do fondly remember the days when OS upgrades was a huge change. I'll always fondly think of the Rolling Stone's "Start Me Up" and trying out OS/2 and various Linux flavors and so on. I used to spend HOURS customizing my…
I can relate. At my first job, I spent ages customizing my Macbook. Everything from dark/light themes, shortcuts, gestures, terminal, bash aliases, etc, was meticulously personalized to be both effective and fun. Then I moved to a second job and was horrified at the thought of going through all that work a second time. Now I wget my bash aliases, tweak things as I go, and leave it at that. I wish there was a good way to make customization portable, but then you take on the work of maintaining it as programs and OSes update.
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#143Following the current trend at Microsoft, it will probably be called "Microsoft Azure for Desktops" :)
I can picture a world where they just host Windows on Azure and you get a thin-client that must be internet connected to use "your" computer. (I am pretty sure this exists in some form for actual cloud-hosted virtual machines, which some companies force their employees/contractors to use, despite the performance issues.)
Re: Microsoft support page says Windows 10 “retirement date” is 2025
#144I'll be honest. I kinda lost track of windows, android, iOS versions at some point. And I think that's probably ok... I use it, it works, there ya go. Most everything I do really isn't OS dependent. I do fondly remember the days when OS upgrades was a huge change. I'll always fondly think of the Rolling Stone's "Start Me Up" and trying out OS/2 and various Linux flavors and so on. I used to spend HOURS customizing my…
It's strange, I was all very for rolling releases but I have to admit it causes a certain sense of blur.. i also lost track of things.
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#146> There is little doubt that the system will be called Windows 11, but it may still not be so. For some reason my gut says it won't be called Windows 11. I have a feeling it will be called something confusing or unappealing. Love MS products but they always fell short with branding.
Windows 11 for Workgroups.
Or maybe going with Xbox vibe and the number: Windows X11 or X Windows System.
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#147Microsoft should number their Windows releases by when support will end for them (eg Windows 25). That’ll make it super clear to enterprise that they’ve got to get with it and update, rather than obfuscating and delaying these dates. (Being half serious)
This is actually a brilliant idea.
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#148That's funny, they think they'll stop supporting Windows 10 in 4 years, when 16% of Windows computers still run Windows 7. In 2025 I bet there will still be almost 10% of all Windows computers running Windows 7
EOL for Windows 7 meant end of support. It's not like they could force your OS to update whether you liked it or not, and Microsoft was charging money for the update as well.
The importance of license revenue has changed; Windows 10 was offered at no cost to existing W7 and W8 users. The ability to control user's computers has changed as well, with forced W10 updates.
EOL for Windows 10 can actually mean EOL for any W10 instance that connects to the internet. If you're a W10 user, Microsoft won't have to ask you nicely to update to W11.
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#149Wasn't Windows 10 supposed to be the last Windows version ever? As in it was going to be evergreen? Did I imagine that? Edit: Yeah I didn't imagine it https://www.theverge.com/2015/5/7/8568473/windows-10-last-ve...
I'm guessing they made the decision to make it evergreen too late in the process so they were still selling it over-the-counter as traditional shrink-wrap software. A Windows 10 license purchased directly from Microsoft lasts "forever" and can be transferred to a new computer.
They won't make that mistake with the next Windows. I'm sure they will still offer the Home edition bundled with new computers and locked to that hardware. But I would bet money that for the next version of Windows, the Pro edition and any license not locked to a specific motherboard will only be available by monthly subscription. This will allow them to make it truly evergreen because they'll have permanent recurring revenue.
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#150Earlier quoted context omitted.
That reminds me there are two control panels. One with the trendy web page style (the pretty one) and the other using the old Windows 7 style (the useful control panel). And I suspect they know its terrible. What other reason would they reserve the the good stuff like the LTSC version to premium enterprise contracts? People who purchase and run Windows Pro and Windows Home are literally paying to feed the monstrous M…
And even within the Control Panel (the older one), there's multiple visually distinct UIs: 1. First, there's "Windows 7 style" applets like "File History", "Power Options", and "Programs and Features". I'm not sure how to summarize these beyond that they have a resizable window and usually have some options in a sidebar on the left, but they all have a visually consistent look (which was a lot more obvious before Win…
1 and 2 are part of the same Vista/7 era Control Panel UI.
3 I believe is even older than that, maybe since 95
4 is the MMC. The MMC is actually great and I am disaponted to see it lose favor. You can even use the MMC to remotely admin other computers. The MMC is somethig I miss on other OSs.
Microsoft should have really invested time in creating template projects used to migrate from the 95 era panels to the Vista/7 era panels. And then again for Win10. Because even if they migrate all windows settings to new panels they are still stuck with 3rd party panels using the old infrastructure (Synaptics, Flash, others still use the 95 era panels). And now migration across all the versions means a complete rewrite effort. And I am not even sure it is possible in all cases. So they are stuck maintaining old infrastructure.
Mac OS fairs better because they had a clean break from 9 to X. And eventually X had pluggable 3rd party panels which proved to be a pain during the transition from 32bit to 64bit. Did Mac OS 9 and earlier have plugable 3rd party panels?
Linux for a long time just didn't care. I belive KDE Plasma has this capability since 5 (not sure it was there in 4).
It is the same with Windows (File) Explorer. It is incredibly plugable. Way more than alternatives on other OSs. There are namespace extensions, context menu extensions, icon overlay extensions, online storage support (since 10), etc..
Being stuck with supporting old infrastructure is a consequence of creating that infrastructure in the first place. The less you create the less you have to maintain. But, as a user, I will take more over less.