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Microsoft support page says Windows 10 “retirement date” is 2025

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Re: Microsoft support page says Windows 10 “retirement date” is 2025

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Post by chomp »

hughrr wrote: post #125
chomp wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes and Docker for Mac is terrible, I'm sitting with a quarter of my RAM in kernel_task with no idea what it's doing and my system stutters every few minutes while who knows what pages off of the SSD, I've had MacOS releases get stuck in a half-upgraded state which required a reinstall, I have monitor connectivity problems, and I've had MacOS get stuck at the login prompt. And don't get me started on the issues with…

I use all three platforms on a daily basis and windows is 10x worse than the next contender. As for Docker on the Mac I agree. I don’t use it. I use a Linux VM which is where I’m currently heading on windows at the moment, unpicking all the garbage. The least troubled combination I can suggest is: use macOS on an M1 machine and keep it close to default as possible and do all your dev on a Ubuntu LTS box via SSH. And…

Gotcha. I don't want to sound combative or defensive; my entire day job is just double clicking terminal icon or the web browser while connected to a couple monitors, so I don't really put the OS to its paces so to speak. If you have more issues on Windows then I believe you, I just don't see that in my day to day.

Re: Microsoft support page says Windows 10 “retirement date” is 2025

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Post by pxc »

binbag wrote: post #84
hughrr wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Actually I don’t think it is. Microsoft promise way ahead of time, fail to deliver, reduce scope, kick out a broken half finished product, get the customers to beta test it, change their mind on the direction of the entire organisation in that space and generally leave everyone confused and a bit burned out. This happens every time and has done for the last 20 years. Even the latest reinvention has just increased the…

The windows hating is so boring and childish. Windows, and particularly Windows 10, is a very good OS. It's not even open source advocates that dislike it so much. I think most Linux users would admit Windows is a solid option, if just not for them. It's usually just Mac fans.

As a Linux person, learning that the only way to get Windows installed without plugging in a Microsoft account was to _never connect to the internet during the install process_ made me feel like I was from a different planet than everyone else. The thought was really

> Why do people tolerate this as the norm? How can people stand it?

Not to say that that one thing should be unbearable to everyone, but that it struck me as a hallmark of a culture with totally different expectations that I can't really imagine sharing at this point.

As for this:

> I think most Linux users would admit Windows is a solid option, if just not for them.

Idk how to hash the meaning of this out, exactly. It seems indisputable that it's a viable option in that you definitely _can_ use it for various things, as evidenced by the fact that millions and millions of people _do_ use it for various things. But that seems like a totally separate question to me from liking it, or whether it's good in this sense or that.

Is it coherent to say that it's a ‘solid option’ and also that it fucking sucks and I don't understand how anybody can put up with it? Maybe somehow that's where I'm at with it

Re: Microsoft support page says Windows 10 “retirement date” is 2025

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Post by moepstar »

johnchristopher wrote: post #52
duxup wrote: post #3

I'll be honest. I kinda lost track of windows, android, iOS versions at some point. And I think that's probably ok... I use it, it works, there ya go. Most everything I do really isn't OS dependent. I do fondly remember the days when OS upgrades was a huge change. I'll always fondly think of the Rolling Stone's "Start Me Up" and trying out OS/2 and various Linux flavors and so on. I used to spend HOURS customizing my…

Reminds me of a comment an FPS reviewer journalist made about keybindings. Something like "At some points I stopped rebinding my keys for every game I review, it's frustrating and time consuming. I just go with the flow now and basta. Bonus point: in game conventions/shows (e3, etcs, etc.) I can jump right in and be at ease, not relying on my 25 years old favourite bindings.".

True - however, i frequently (save the few cases that "get it right" for me) have to invert the Y-axis...

Re: Microsoft support page says Windows 10 “retirement date” is 2025

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Post by mattowen_uk »

1-6 wrote: post #86
smm11 wrote: post #67

I believe Windows 11 will be running atop Linux.

I'm happy that abstraction has been working well for operating systems. I always think that one day, porting the OS from one device to another is as simple as copying over a VHD file.

It's VHDX files now, much cooler... Or something.

Re: Microsoft support page says Windows 10 “retirement date” is 2025

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Post by asddubs »

delecti wrote: post #55
AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because I have a very low opinion of most marketing people that seems plausible to me, but Mac and Windows seem to have such wildly different markets that I think it is unlikely.

Seriously. I can't imagine anyone whose decision between a Mac and a Windows PC is a complete dead tie, except for Mac OS being 11 compared to Windows' lowly 10.

this one goes to 11

Re: Microsoft support page says Windows 10 “retirement date” is 2025

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Post by gruez »

xaduha wrote: post #56

More important is what next version of Windows 10 LTSC gonna look like and when support for that will end.

AFAIK it's planned to be relased in second half of 2021, and will have 5 years support for LTSC, and 10 years support for IOT LTSC (whatever that means).

Re: Microsoft support page says Windows 10 “retirement date” is 2025

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Post by c7DJTLrn »

Darvokis wrote: post #10

Is it just me or does it feel like they've been more tightly lipped about Windows 11 than they have about previous upcoming Windows releases?

New Microsoft desperately wants to be like Apple. They're being tight lipped because they're imitating. They want their products to seem integrated, well designed, well engineered, even... exciting. But they don't have half the taste.

Re: Microsoft support page says Windows 10 “retirement date” is 2025

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Post by mattowen_uk »

lb1lf wrote: post #82
curuinor wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

there are people on this cursed earth who roll with windows 2000 on prod, you know?

I don't trust those new-fangled operating systems. Until recently, we had a CNC lathe at work powered by a VAXstation 3100 running (if memory serves) VAX/VMS 5.3... (Released in the late eighties)

If you have a VT420 can I buy it? DM me.

Re: Microsoft support page says Windows 10 “retirement date” is 2025

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Post by c7DJTLrn »

binbag wrote: post #84
hughrr wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Actually I don’t think it is. Microsoft promise way ahead of time, fail to deliver, reduce scope, kick out a broken half finished product, get the customers to beta test it, change their mind on the direction of the entire organisation in that space and generally leave everyone confused and a bit burned out. This happens every time and has done for the last 20 years. Even the latest reinvention has just increased the…

The windows hating is so boring and childish. Windows, and particularly Windows 10, is a very good OS. It's not even open source advocates that dislike it so much. I think most Linux users would admit Windows is a solid option, if just not for them. It's usually just Mac fans.

I couldn't give a damn about macOS or the "Linux desktop". Yet I would still call Windows a disaster. Windows 10 was released almost 6 years ago now, and it's still a Frankenstein mess of 10 different UI styles dating all the way back to Win95, with no apparent drive to fix it up and make it consistent. Microsoft has extremely weak engineering culture.
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