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Microsoft support page says Windows 10 “retirement date” is 2025

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Re: Microsoft support page says Windows 10 “retirement date” is 2025

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Post by pxc »

TravHatesMe wrote: post #12

> There is little doubt that the system will be called Windows 11, but it may still not be so. For some reason my gut says it won't be called Windows 11. I have a feeling it will be called something confusing or unappealing. Love MS products but they always fell short with branding.

> For some reason my gut says it won't be called Windows 11. I have a feeling it will be called something confusing or unappealing. Love MS products but they always fell short with branding.

This strikes me as so odd, both because to me Microsoft products don't have a singular vibe that I could rule on, and because Windows, to me, is obviously the worst Microsoft product by a mile. Like, of things I've used recently:

• Windows Terminal is outstanding, easily the best terminal emulator available on the platform

• PowerShell is top-notch as a shell language, and has rightly revolutionized the design of shell languages to follow

• winget is kinda a sad story and can probably never really be what it ought to because of the way most software is distributed on Windows anyway

• WSL1 is crazy ambitious and cool, absolutely love it

• WSL2 is very nice to have but much less interesting as a project than WSL1

• Windows itself is horrifying— after having been away from Windows since Windows 7, just the _installer_ for Windows 10 left me shocked and repulsed

Is there a particular unifying theme or aspect of Microsoft products that draws you to them? Or do you just kinda happen to like a lot of them for very different sorts of reasons?

Re: Microsoft support page says Windows 10 “retirement date” is 2025

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Post by zamadatix »

watertom wrote: post #13

That's funny, they think they'll stop supporting Windows 10 in 4 years, when 16% of Windows computers still run Windows 7. In 2025 I bet there will still be almost 10% of all Windows computers running Windows 7

"Windows 10" isn't a version in the same way "Windows 7" was, if you haven't upgraded your OS to a new one that still happens to be called "Windows 10" in 18 months you're out of support (barring LTS release, education, or enterprise versions which have their own lifecycles). I.e. just because it says "Windows 10" in the name doesn't mean you're on anything that resembles the original "Windows 10" that launched in 2015.

As such I think what is happening here isn't a "please pick to upgrade to the new version of Windows" popup that feels like a special upgrade rather just another thing that will be pushed down via standard windows update automatically to replace the old version of 10 while nobody notices - as has happened since Windows 10 released. Except this time it has more changes than a typical Windows 10 release and likely a marketing update (maybe changing the name to "Windows 11" but I think more likely they are just going to call it "Windows" because of the above changes in the way updates work and Windows 7 and 8 support ending leaving only this version).

Re: Microsoft support page says Windows 10 “retirement date” is 2025

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Post by Retric »

binbag wrote: post #84
hughrr wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Actually I don’t think it is. Microsoft promise way ahead of time, fail to deliver, reduce scope, kick out a broken half finished product, get the customers to beta test it, change their mind on the direction of the entire organisation in that space and generally leave everyone confused and a bit burned out. This happens every time and has done for the last 20 years. Even the latest reinvention has just increased the…

The windows hating is so boring and childish. Windows, and particularly Windows 10, is a very good OS. It's not even open source advocates that dislike it so much. I think most Linux users would admit Windows is a solid option, if just not for them. It's usually just Mac fans.

Windows 10 objectively has serious issues, the control panels being an obvious example. I am a Windows dev and it’s not their worst OS, but it’s at best average.

Re: Microsoft support page says Windows 10 “retirement date” is 2025

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Post by hughrr »

Retric wrote: post #113
binbag wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The windows hating is so boring and childish. Windows, and particularly Windows 10, is a very good OS. It's not even open source advocates that dislike it so much. I think most Linux users would admit Windows is a solid option, if just not for them. It's usually just Mac fans.

Windows 10 objectively has serious issues, the control panels being an obvious example. I am a Windows dev and it’s not their worst OS, but it’s at best average.

Control panels are funny. The last time I had to reinstall windows was because when I clicked anything in the new settings app, nothing happened! That was May :(

Re: Microsoft support page says Windows 10 “retirement date” is 2025

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Post by willtim »

ravenstine wrote: post #75
Lariscus wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does the file chooser show thumbnails yet?

It will until you upgrade your Ubuntu version and you open it up to find a message that "your file manager is deprecated. use this crappy fork with fewer features instead", only to have it abandoned after a few years because the devs for the fork got butthurt. I'm so glad I ditched Linux. Got tired of losing features because of people's egos, and being told ffmpeg was deprecated when it really wasn't became the final…

Is that relevant to Gnome? It's used the same file manager "Nautilus" for years. Apple and Microsoft are also quite capable of killing software projects.

Re: Microsoft support page says Windows 10 “retirement date” is 2025

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Post by sngz »

corndoge wrote: post #7

Wasn't Windows 10 supposed to be the last Windows version ever? As in it was going to be evergreen? Did I imagine that? Edit: Yeah I didn't imagine it https://www.theverge.com/2015/5/7/8568473/windows-10-last-ve...

that's why you can never trust microsoft. people seem to be starting to forget that.

Re: Microsoft support page says Windows 10 “retirement date” is 2025

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Post by chomp »

hughrr wrote: post #94
binbag wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The windows hating is so boring and childish. Windows, and particularly Windows 10, is a very good OS. It's not even open source advocates that dislike it so much. I think most Linux users would admit Windows is a solid option, if just not for them. It's usually just Mac fans.

It’s really not. So far this week for me Windows Hello has just totally broken, my thunderbolt dock has decided to no longer recognise the keyboard, I’ve had a problem where the graphics driver just shats itself every hour, the taskbar disappeared and wouldn’t come back and during last weeks update cycle it got stuck and had to roll back to a restore point. Oh and docker for windows completely broke and I still can’t…

Yes and Docker for Mac is terrible, I'm sitting with a quarter of my RAM in kernel_task with no idea what it's doing and my system stutters every few minutes while who knows what pages off of the SSD, I've had MacOS releases get stuck in a half-upgraded state which required a reinstall, I have monitor connectivity problems, and I've had MacOS get stuck at the login prompt.

And don't get me started on the issues with Linux desktops, which can hardly even get screensharing to work.

My and others' point is that there is no perfect OS. Windows is good, MacOS is good, Linux is "okay", and if you're determining good by the critera "is there zero issues" then you're going to be very sad for the rest of your life.

Re: Microsoft support page says Windows 10 “retirement date” is 2025

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Post by passivate »

ulzeraj wrote: post #27
duxup wrote: post #3

I'll be honest. I kinda lost track of windows, android, iOS versions at some point. And I think that's probably ok... I use it, it works, there ya go. Most everything I do really isn't OS dependent. I do fondly remember the days when OS upgrades was a huge change. I'll always fondly think of the Rolling Stone's "Start Me Up" and trying out OS/2 and various Linux flavors and so on. I used to spend HOURS customizing my…

Personally I don't think so. Every time I download and install from an Windows ISO it seems worse. Right out of the bat there is a page where you need to uncheck all the spyware crap and there are so many it scrolls. They also make it so a normal local user is presented like a somewhat inferior experience than their web login. Then you have to fill in obligatory 3 recovery questions even if you are confident in your…

Our IT has given us deployment sticks for W10 Pro which format/install/deploy the OS using one script in about 5 minutes with zero nags/prompts anything else. It also sets up a default (non-cloud) user. I think its called an 'unattended' setup. So it definitely can be done. I think MS needs to provide a "Yes, I know what I'm doing, go away" Windows ISO.

Re: Microsoft support page says Windows 10 “retirement date” is 2025

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Post by Snitch-Thursday »

spicybright wrote: post #20
watertom wrote: post #13

That's funny, they think they'll stop supporting Windows 10 in 4 years, when 16% of Windows computers still run Windows 7. In 2025 I bet there will still be almost 10% of all Windows computers running Windows 7

It'll be XP all over again.

Possibly. For those who clung to Windows XP or 7, it was because the alternative was relatively unappealing (Vista, later 8 or 10, respectively).

For those who are on Windows 10 because they made a pragmatic choice to keep compatibility with their back catalog of Windows-only software and get the latest security but pay for it in the form of nags, schizophrenic control panels, and forced updates, Windows 11 has an opportunity to take over fast.

How? By removing one or more of the above pain points (and others I haven't listed). I'm not that hopeful that MS would reverse course on these user-hostile things, but I guess I am slightly hopeful for a scrap or two could potentially be thrown my way.

What if Windows 11 was just Windows a repackaged Windows 10 LTSC 2021? By most rumors, it's more different than WIndows 10 than that, but even if it was only a reboxed SKU that consumers would buy, it would sell like hotcakes.

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