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German environmental groups file objection against Tesla gigafactory permit

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Re: German environmental groups file objection against Tesla gigafactory permit

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Post by jackson1way »

Mrdarknezz wrote: post #29
tut-urut-utut wrote: post #4

Environmental groups file objections against every single major project in Germany. That's probably one of the reasons why major infrastructure projects in Germany never finish on time. I'm all for environment, but sometimes these complaints are just for complaint's sake.

Well building a battery factory in EUs worst CO2 polluter kinda makes no sense from an environmental viewpoint. Better to build it in Sweden or France which have a heavy Nuclear/Hydro mix in their grid.

Is CO2 considered as pollution?

Re: German environmental groups file objection against Tesla gigafactory permit

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Post by _Microft »

durnygbur wrote: post #30

Good luck setting up in Germany a manufactury alternative to Daimler, BMW, Audi, or VW. It's literally a threat to their existence and they'll react accordingly. Sometimes it shows how disconnected Americans are from the local European realities. Even if Tesla will succeed they'll have to fly workers from Ukraine, Branderburg is a demographical desert. Czechia, Poland, Slovakia, Hungary, and Romania are desperate to…

The issue could be rather that Musk might have mistakenly thought that he could get away with "move fast and flout rules" here in Germany and now he's coming back to Earth with a bang. See how "Musk blames bureaucracy" instead of blaming Tesla for not doing their homework properly the first time?

https://auto.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/passenger-veh...

Re: German environmental groups file objection against Tesla gigafactory permit

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Post by newsclues »

shlant wrote: post #26
eplanit wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And, every time, the objections drive up costs and delay results.

and many people are realizing that the environment should be considered over costs and deadlines

Are we considering the environment when we delay the mass production of environmentally friendlier electric cars?

Re: German environmental groups file objection against Tesla gigafactory permit

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Post by Retric »

paul_f wrote: post #27
hyperdunc wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Environmental groups file objections against every single major project in democratic countries, where it's their right to do so. Occasionally, the objection is worthwhile.

"The boy who cried wolf." They need to be more selective if they want to be taken seriously. Maybe this one is serious, but how are we to know if they fight everything?

We are not the ones reading these petitions, so it’s arguably irrelevant what we think about them. I suspect many environmental groups do limit themselves to reasonable exceptions, but when any group can do something some will object to everything.

As such it’s not about environmental groups doing this but rather specific groups.

Re: German environmental groups file objection against Tesla gigafactory permit

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Post by jason0597 »

jackson1way wrote: post #41
Mrdarknezz wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well building a battery factory in EUs worst CO2 polluter kinda makes no sense from an environmental viewpoint. Better to build it in Sweden or France which have a heavy Nuclear/Hydro mix in their grid.

Is CO2 considered as pollution?

Since when is it not?

Re: German environmental groups file objection against Tesla gigafactory permit

#46

Post by durnygbur »

_Microft wrote: post #42
durnygbur wrote: post #30

Good luck setting up in Germany a manufactury alternative to Daimler, BMW, Audi, or VW. It's literally a threat to their existence and they'll react accordingly. Sometimes it shows how disconnected Americans are from the local European realities. Even if Tesla will succeed they'll have to fly workers from Ukraine, Branderburg is a demographical desert. Czechia, Poland, Slovakia, Hungary, and Romania are desperate to…

The issue could be rather that Musk might have mistakenly thought that he could get away with "move fast and flout rules" here in Germany and now he's coming back to Earth with a bang. See how "Musk blames bureaucracy" instead of blaming Tesla for not doing their homework properly the first time? https://auto.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/passenger-veh...

And who was the investor of BER that had to be put back to Earth with a bang?

Re: German environmental groups file objection against Tesla gigafactory permit

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Post by ryder9 »

zephyr1 wrote: post #22
lm28469 wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If the only metric you care about is job creation.... We let mega corps rule for the best part of the last century and we all know how it ended. Companies aren't here to create jobs and help mankind, they're here to make money

Maybe this is controversial on HN, but I care more about my community than a spider

except it's not literally a spider here, the real issue is potential release of toxic gas, if you really care about your community you'd care about this

Re: German environmental groups file objection against Tesla gigafactory permit

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Post by wait_a_minute »

durnygbur wrote: post #30

Good luck setting up in Germany a manufactury alternative to Daimler, BMW, Audi, or VW. It's literally a threat to their existence and they'll react accordingly. Sometimes it shows how disconnected Americans are from the local European realities. Even if Tesla will succeed they'll have to fly workers from Ukraine, Branderburg is a demographical desert. Czechia, Poland, Slovakia, Hungary, and Romania are desperate to…

Musk should just build the plant in Romania instead. Beautiful country, and we will accept the business and tax revenue with open arms ;)

Re: German environmental groups file objection against Tesla gigafactory permit

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Post by HatchedLake721 »

newsclues wrote: post #36
dewey wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The objection is based on the claim that Tesla has not sufficiently clarified what precautions it will take to prevent highly poisonous gas from escaping from the factory, the objection document showed. This seems like a pretty reasonable objection and not just "complaints are just for complaint's sake".

What evidence is there that it is a serious problem?

Lol.

On one end of the spectrum we have environmental groups making objections against every tiny detail.

On the other end we have - “Highly poisonous gas escaping the factory into the environment? What evidence is there that it is a serious problem?”. A very Nestle approach

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