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CPB director: The Netherlands must ban Bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies

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Re: CPB director: The Netherlands must ban Bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies

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I'm curious what's going to be left when the dust settles, probably in about 5 years. After all, since we're talking about the Netherlands, tulip bulbs are still around but most people don't care about them anymore.

They are in the top 20 countries in terms of GDP...

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Everyone needs to ban Bitcoin... and likely other cryptocurrencies. Not only are they by far the biggest enablers of ransomware (which we're supposedly taking seriously now), but Bitcoin emissions alone could push global warming above 2°C. [1] Bitcoin already consumes 0.55% of energy produced globally. [2] [1] https://www.nature.com/articles/s41558-018-0321-8 [2] https://hbr.org/2021/05/how-much-energy-does-bitcoin-a…

We need to ban all proof-of-work and generally all resource intensive cryptocurrencies.

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say maybe we should in general ban things that are a certain amount less energy efficient (say, 5x more wasteful) than the best technology we've achieved for a similar purpose so far. And progressively tax anything that's moderately more wasteful (say, 2x-5x). It's bad enough that we have cars on roads that are twice as wasteful as they could be, let alone a transaction processing mechanism that is literally a million times more wasteful than our existing technology.

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The reason we have to go to the trouble of making cryptocurrencies is that busybodies like this guy are endlessly trying to reduce our freedom. They're not trying to look out for people; they're trying to protect their ability to print money and steal. In crypto parlance, they want to remain the VIPs that have centralized special privileged access to create tokens, and force usage thereof. But now we have the technol…

I don’t think that the Netherlands is the country where wealth is routinely stolen from common folk.

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I'm curious what's going to be left when the dust settles, probably in about 5 years. After all, since we're talking about the Netherlands, tulip bulbs are still around but most people don't care about them anymore.

They are in the top 20 countries in terms of GDP...

I think that when the op said “most people don’t care about them” they meant the tulip bulbs, not the Netherlands.

Re: CPB director: The Netherlands must ban Bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies

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Why should others decide if I can run useless hashing functions on my computer? Price the electricity accordingly, and make PoW impossible. Cryptocurrency is no the enabler of ransomware. Ransomware was prevalent before cryptocurrencies. The real enablers of ransomware are the countries that shelter the R10 groups, raking in millions. There's a reason some ransomware doesn't run when your system has a Russian languag…

> There's a reason some ransomware doesn't run when your system has a Russian language keyboard, and it's not because they know Russians never pay ransom...

Why then?

Re: CPB director: The Netherlands must ban Bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies

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I'm curious what's going to be left when the dust settles, probably in about 5 years. After all, since we're talking about the Netherlands, tulip bulbs are still around but most people don't care about them anymore.

I'm not sure if you're being facetious but flowers are a massive business and account for something like 10% of their agricultural exports. Saying "most people don't care about them anymore" makes it sound like it's a niche industry, which I think undersells it quite a bit.

Re: CPB director: The Netherlands must ban Bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies

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Why should others decide if I can run useless hashing functions on my computer? Price the electricity accordingly, and make PoW impossible. Cryptocurrency is no the enabler of ransomware. Ransomware was prevalent before cryptocurrencies. The real enablers of ransomware are the countries that shelter the R10 groups, raking in millions. There's a reason some ransomware doesn't run when your system has a Russian languag…

>Price the electricity accordingly

So I should pay significantly more on my bills, just because you want to play with some virtual coins?

Re: CPB director: The Netherlands must ban Bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies

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Everyone needs to ban Bitcoin... and likely other cryptocurrencies. Not only are they by far the biggest enablers of ransomware (which we're supposedly taking seriously now), but Bitcoin emissions alone could push global warming above 2°C. [1] Bitcoin already consumes 0.55% of energy produced globally. [2] [1] https://www.nature.com/articles/s41558-018-0321-8 [2] https://hbr.org/2021/05/how-much-energy-does-bitcoin-a…

Global warming above 2°C will happen just by the nature of n-th order effects. Trees burning, methane stored in tundra getting released can have decades of CO2 equivalent emissions compared to 1 human civilization year.

Bitcoin has a small effect compared to everything else we do and everything else that will happen.

Human civilization isn't exactly living as optimal as possible and I do not see why Bitcoin needs to be the thing we optimize.

There's Las Vegas, having AC 24/7, cooling the streets from open casino doors. There's individuals feasting on steaks every single day, every single meal.

Looking through the eyes of a frugal optimizer, should we ban that too?

Re: CPB director: The Netherlands must ban Bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies

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Everyone needs to ban Bitcoin... and likely other cryptocurrencies. Not only are they by far the biggest enablers of ransomware (which we're supposedly taking seriously now), but Bitcoin emissions alone could push global warming above 2°C. [1] Bitcoin already consumes 0.55% of energy produced globally. [2] [1] https://www.nature.com/articles/s41558-018-0321-8 [2] https://hbr.org/2021/05/how-much-energy-does-bitcoin-a…

Good luck banning internet access.

Even if you ban crypto exchanges and money transfers to them, you cannot ban a single entity called Bitcoin Co, nor you can ban individuals from possessing it.

You could potentially ban crypto miners from using the electrical energy, but that doesn't ban Bitcoin either.

Any other ideas? :)

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