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Re: Husband of Amazon employee sentenced to prison for insider trading Amazon stock

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This man sent to jail. How many politicians were sent to jail for covid insider trading? What about the billions Jeff Bezos fleeced in taxes? It's the rich man's world, where justice is only onto the poor.

> How many politicians were sent to jail for covid insider trading? What is covid insider trading? > What about the billions Jeff Bezos fleeced in taxes? I believe Jeff Bezos did no violate the law, but that's really offtopic here. > It's the rich man's world, where justice is only onto the poor. Tell that to all the rich guys went to jail. Or if you have some statistical evidence, I'd love to read it.

This dude is referring to: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_congressional_insider_t...

>However, on February 13, he and his wife sold between $628,000 and $1.7 million worth of stock through thirty-three transactions and on February 27

> NPR asked Caitlin Carroll, Burr's spokesperson, for a comment on the alleged violations and she responded with "lol"

>On May 13, the FBI seized Burr's phone, to investigate his communications with his stock broker, among other warrants, including one to search his personal iCloud account

>On May 26, the Justice Department announced that it had ended its investigation into Feinstein, Inhofe, and Loeffler.[18] On January 19, 2021, the Justice Department closed its investigation into Burr

Re: Husband of Amazon employee sentenced to prison for insider trading Amazon stock

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I have no doubt the SEC has a bunch of rules they use to flag suspicious transactions. The data analysis spits out a few names and they follow up in person to see who lawyers up and who cracks under pressure. It's also why Matt Levine's "rules of insider trading" includes "Don’t do it by buying short-dated out-of-the-money call options on merger targets". Certain transactions are suspicious as hell, especially when t…

Today’s Money Stuff was on exactly this. Under “Insider Trading”: https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2021-06-10/maybe-...

Holy crap that's amazing. The FINRA list is an interesting approach. Nothing high tech, just put pressure on people who could have leaked.

"In fact, when Hand was questioned by Neuralstem about Calice’s inclusion on a list of names that the Financial Industry Regulatory Authority sent to Neuralstem in its review of suspicious pre-Announcement trading, Hand falsely stated that Calice could not have obtained the negative clinical trial information from her."

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2021-06-10/maybe-...

Re: Husband of Amazon employee sentenced to prison for insider trading Amazon stock

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If you are an insider at a company you work at, they tell you and you have to adhere to additional rules and blackouts around announcement and earnings time. This is not common. In the story, the guy's wife worked in finance so had confidential info about earnings. The rank and file can trade whenever the hell we want with whatever stock we want, including our employer's. No one bats an eye.

Really? Even as a rank and file pleb I wasn’t allowed to trade except for about 2-3 weeks after earnings calls. I assumed that was the norm everywhere.

That is the norm. True insiders are subject to additional restrictions, and often set up a 10b5 plan to set conditions under which stock may be traded.

In almost every case, no employees (insider or otherwise) are permitted to sell derivatives (calls, puts), while they are employed.

Re: Husband of Amazon employee sentenced to prison for insider trading Amazon stock

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There's nothing illegal about trading your employer's stock if you don't have access to insider information. Millions of investors do that with no problems.

Adding a note, according to the initial filings from the SEC: >As further explained in Amazon’s Insider Trading FAQs, “puts, calls, warrants and other types of option securities” were required to “be cleared in advance with the Legal Department, regardless of whether that employee is otherwise subject to preclearance or to the trading window, even if that employee is not in possession of material nonpublic informatio…

> > “puts, calls, warrants and other types of option securities”

> Amazon employees require Amazon's Legal approval before trading Amazon stock.

Options are not stock, they're options. Employees are generally (maybe always?) restricted from trading in derivatives like options. That doesn't mean they can't trade stock (outside blackout windows).

Re: Husband of Amazon employee sentenced to prison for insider trading Amazon stock

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I love how no one on Wall Street was convicted of anything criminal even though they almost destroyed the entire global financial system. There was even text messages of fraud being committed and nothing happened. Not even clawbacks or fines or anything. The government just let them go. That was so disappointing, and one of the first signs of how Obama was going to betray the progressives and let Bush's status quo re…

I don't disagree with the general sentiment that the GFC was a total disaster, and I'd certainly not argue against the idea that a system had developed that had poor incentives, with sometimes greedy and unethical people working in it. What kind of concerns me, though, is the way that poor decision-making is conflated with breaking the law, or the belief that a terrible outcome ex-post necessarily implies illegality.…

The GFC is a direct result of illegal behavior. If you don't understand that, you don't understand the GFC. The major problem is that Wall Street investment banks were marking shitty debt as AAA when it was no such thing. Because it was marked as AAA, the bad debt was bought throughout the globe because pensions and funds globally wanted only AAA debt. They knew the debt was shitty even as they were marking them as AAA and they didn't care. Once the debt started blowing up, all of these companies that thought they had AAA debt ended up holding onto shitty debt and it put everything at risk.

It's pure unadulterated fraud. No one was punished.

Re: Husband of Amazon employee sentenced to prison for insider trading Amazon stock

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I think people simply don't appreciate that it's an easily caught crime. Most illegal things that one might do won't ever be caught, eg you break into someone's house and it would take the police to bother investigating and then put enough effort into that one case. Or to stay in white collar you might forget to report some income, how's the tax man to know unless you are already in focus? With insider trading the in…

How do they know his wife worked for Amazon? Is this recorded? Or do you need to declare stuff like that? I don't know anything about trading; in naïve view would be that unless they have quite a bit of information about you that's not necessarily all that easily obtainable, it's not always so easy to detect?

Uhh I dunno say joint tax return with one person on an Amazon W2 and the other person reporting Amazon capital gains on their 1099B? Could it be any easier?

Re: Husband of Amazon employee sentenced to prison for insider trading Amazon stock

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>he obtained from his wife, an Amazon finance employee, to place trades in Amazon stock–making a profit of $1,428,264 >Bohra engaged in illegal insider trading in advance of 11 straight earnings announcements.” >He and his family members have paid $2,652,899 in disgorgement, interest and penalties. And 26 months in prison! This is why if you're going to do any kind of trading yourself -- never touch the company you w…

I wonder if he would have been caught if instead of buying Amazon directly, he bought an index fund that has them? I think Amazon makes up something like 3% of some of the Vanguard index funds.

I assume that the guy bought some type of short term options on Amazon to bet on rising/falling stock prices. I don't think buying an index fund, even with insider information, would allow for such massive profits.

Re: Husband of Amazon employee sentenced to prison for insider trading Amazon stock

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I am wondering if there could be a way to outsmart the system. Perhaps trades are monitored automatically and once flagged for suspicious timing and returns, they are reviewed manually. What if someone was trading in a smart way, e.g. purpusfully accepting losses on the same stock/derivate, trading during non-blackout periods, focusing on more than one stock excessively. This could reduce the risk for automatic detec…

Obviously this.

Re: Husband of Amazon employee sentenced to prison for insider trading Amazon stock

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Adding a note, according to the initial filings from the SEC: >As further explained in Amazon’s Insider Trading FAQs, “puts, calls, warrants and other types of option securities” were required to “be cleared in advance with the Legal Department, regardless of whether that employee is otherwise subject to preclearance or to the trading window, even if that employee is not in possession of material nonpublic informatio…

> puts, calls, warrants and other types of option securities These are not stock. You definitely don’t need Amazon Legal approval to trade Amazon stock - otherwise all employees that get RSUs would need approval to sell their stock.

You're correct, let me update my wording.

Re: Husband of Amazon employee sentenced to prison for insider trading Amazon stock

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This man sent to jail. How many politicians were sent to jail for covid insider trading? What about the billions Jeff Bezos fleeced in taxes? It's the rich man's world, where justice is only onto the poor.

I agree with the first part, but it doesn't look like he was poor (the husband I mean). He had a lot of money and he wanted more
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