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Re: Husband of Amazon employee sentenced to prison for insider trading Amazon stock

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How do they prove this? A lot of people play earnings. Amazon is not an obscure stock. In fact, making an earnings play on Amazon is probably one of the more reasonable safer things to do compared to what the world is up to now days.

If you only do it for one stock, do it for every earnings, and have a win rate of 100%, that becomes pretty obvious. Also, by the way, they were legally not allowed to trade during those times at all, due to her specific job and the blackout period that cme with.

Out of curiosity what was the outcome of each of these? Did Amazon drop on any of them? Hypothetically if they're all up, then it suddenly seems way less sketchy.

Re: Husband of Amazon employee sentenced to prison for insider trading Amazon stock

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How do they prove this? A lot of people play earnings. Amazon is not an obscure stock. In fact, making an earnings play on Amazon is probably one of the more reasonable safer things to do compared to what the world is up to now days.

Since they got a guilty plea out of him, I'm guessing they had strong enough proof to discourage him from going to trial where he could've risked up to 25 years in jail time if jury found the evidence credible. If he had just stuck with stocks, I'm sure it would've been harder to prove. But with options and dates, timing of it... it's hard to get away.

Earnings calls dates are announced ahead of time, so that doesn't factor in to it.

Re: Husband of Amazon employee sentenced to prison for insider trading Amazon stock

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May be they would have to risk a trial to convict both but he would plea guilty to protect his wife. If the state believes he was the most responsible then they may judge a guaranteed conviction without the cost of trial to be worth it. The wife (and family) lost 2.6 million, plus her job, and the husband - so it's not like she got away with something, just avoided the worst of the punishment.

disgorged 2.6 million, that means just losing the ill-gotten gains. It's not fair to call that "lost".

No. $2.6M "in disgorgement, interest and penalties." The ill-gotten gains were only $1.4M.

They had to pay back their gains, pay additional fees, and one of them serves jail time. They did not get away with anything.

Re: Husband of Amazon employee sentenced to prison for insider trading Amazon stock

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I love how no one on Wall Street was convicted of anything criminal even though they almost destroyed the entire global financial system. There was even text messages of fraud being committed and nothing happened. Not even clawbacks or fines or anything. The government just let them go. That was so disappointing, and one of the first signs of how Obama was going to betray the progressives and let Bush's status quo re…

I don't disagree with the general sentiment that the GFC was a total disaster, and I'd certainly not argue against the idea that a system had developed that had poor incentives, with sometimes greedy and unethical people working in it. What kind of concerns me, though, is the way that poor decision-making is conflated with breaking the law, or the belief that a terrible outcome ex-post necessarily implies illegality.…

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Re: Husband of Amazon employee sentenced to prison for insider trading Amazon stock

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How does this even end up on the SEC or IRS radar? $1.4M seems like a blip in the grand scheme of things.

Low hanging fruit. These kind of trading activities are almost super easy to catch, its like a small fish cheating on their taxes, software will detect it eventually.

Re: Husband of Amazon employee sentenced to prison for insider trading Amazon stock

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What nonpublic information do congresspeople have about how pandemics might impact the global economy?

Considering the pandemic became a pandemic in March and they sold stocks in February, your question reads as loaded.

I hedged my portfolio in January. You didn’t need a declaration of pandemic by the WHO to see the risk — that’s a trailing indicator. I exited my initial hedges in mid-March.

Which isn’t to defend or justify insider trading by Congress. There were intelligence analysis reports floating around Washington DC in 2019, so it was a known risk. But you didn’t need to be a beltway insider to see that possibility when insuring against that risk was very cheap.

Re: Husband of Amazon employee sentenced to prison for insider trading Amazon stock

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If you ignore all the ethical aspects of it and look at it as a purely economic transaction, whether it was a great trade or not depends on the odds of getting caught, not just the punishment if you get caught.

That's true. I wonder what the odds of getting caught are. I wonder how the odds would change if you had someone unconnected to you who placed the trades and shared the profits. As I write this I can imagine a cryptocurrency marketplace for insider information. The insider asserts some fact about a company and stakes an amount in crypto. Buyers see the potential - e.g. "Amazon insider staking 1 million for X% return"…

> As I write this I can imagine a cryptocurrency marketplace for insider information. The insider asserts some fact about a company and stakes an amount in crypto. Buyers see the potential - e.g. "Amazon insider staking 1 million for X% return" and can choose to take on the deal or not. If the buyer does take on the deal they see the information and if the information is borne out then the buyer must return the insider's investment plus X%. Otherwise the buyer gets the insider's stake.

We don't have to imagine it too hard, something very similar already happened! https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2021-03-22/fake-i...

Re: Husband of Amazon employee sentenced to prison for insider trading Amazon stock

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There's nothing illegal about trading your employer's stock if you don't have access to insider information. Millions of investors do that with no problems.

>Millions of investors do that with no problems. Err, example please? I'm totally blanking here, not gonna lie.

If you are an insider at a company you work at, they tell you and you have to adhere to additional rules and blackouts around announcement and earnings time.

This is not common. In the story, the guy's wife worked in finance so had confidential info about earnings. The rank and file can trade whenever the hell we want with whatever stock we want, including our employer's. No one bats an eye.

Re: Husband of Amazon employee sentenced to prison for insider trading Amazon stock

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Does anyone honestly care about a million dollar trade by some employee's husband? The bar for insider trading is hilariously low - this seems like a total waste of time and resources when you could be chasing whales like you should be.

> ...this seems like a total waste of time and resources when you could be chasing whales like you should be. That's what the Bohra's thought! It's what a lot of insider trading criminals think. They think the SEC has "thresholds" and only go after "whales". They don't, they look for patterns and go for it. Low hanging fruit is irresistible for them, it's not a "waste of resources." What's ironic is the that typical…

> They think the SEC has "thresholds" and only go after "whales". They don't, they look for patterns and go for it.

So you think if someone earns 50 bucks for beer with insider trades each year, they will go after them? I mean why not, but I guess there has to be a line somewhere.

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