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Linus Torvalds: Get vaccinated. Stop believing the anti-vax lies

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Re: Linus Torvalds: Get vaccinated. Stop believing the anti-vax lies

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Post by ViViDboarder »

Negitivefrags wrote: post #99
apatheticonion wrote: post #32

I'm genuinely shocked at how many of my colleagues are in the anti-vaxx club. Literally half of my team have said they will not get the vaccine when it's available to them. One citing a podcast which talked about how the vaccine causes programmed cell death and the other because "it's all a bit suspicious". Great guys, intelligent and generally good to be around. I didn't know how to react when I found out.

I wish people wouldn’t conflate not wanting to take this particular vaccine at this particular time with being “anti-vax”. I am vaccinated. I vaccinate my kids and have done so as recently as a few months ago. I believe in vaccines. But I’m not ready for this one yet. When it has gone through the same FDA approval process as would be used for any vaccine I will be first in line. I don’t see why people are so offended…

Are you familiar with the difference in approvals?

I tried to do some research and found this:

> People think there is a difference in data quality between approval under emergency use authorization, but there really isn’t, he said. “The only real difference is the length of follow-up for efficacy,” he said. Covid vaccines: What full FDA approval means for you

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/05/18/covid-vaccines-what-full-fda...

If true it would suggest that we just don’t know how long they are effective for and not that there is some more rigorous side effects testing.

The point will hopefully be moot though as full approval may come second half of this year.

Re: Linus Torvalds: Get vaccinated. Stop believing the anti-vax lies

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Post by InTheArena »

Negitivefrags wrote: post #99
apatheticonion wrote: post #32

I'm genuinely shocked at how many of my colleagues are in the anti-vaxx club. Literally half of my team have said they will not get the vaccine when it's available to them. One citing a podcast which talked about how the vaccine causes programmed cell death and the other because "it's all a bit suspicious". Great guys, intelligent and generally good to be around. I didn't know how to react when I found out.

I wish people wouldn’t conflate not wanting to take this particular vaccine at this particular time with being “anti-vax”. I am vaccinated. I vaccinate my kids and have done so as recently as a few months ago. I believe in vaccines. But I’m not ready for this one yet. When it has gone through the same FDA approval process as would be used for any vaccine I will be first in line. I don’t see why people are so offended…

There is no safety difference between a EUA and a standard authorization. In fact, the opposite of your assertion is probably true - the safety and efficacy data of the mRNA vaccines in particular is far far far in excess of what we have had with other things the FDA has approved. If you want to get up in arms, go read about the FDA approving Biogen’s aducanumab, which has serious safety issues, and no proven efficacy. It's a 50k a year hand out from medicare to a pharma company.

The process the vaccines are going now is updating their rolling submissions to cover all the data since the EUA. What the EUA gave them was really the ability to do the paperwork for general, and start scaling the factory before the phase 3 trials where complete.

source: https://vaccine.unchealthcare.org/science/vaccine-approval/w...

There is a great diagram there that shows the processes.

Re: Linus Torvalds: Get vaccinated. Stop believing the anti-vax lies

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Post by alisonkisk »

young_unixer wrote: post #83
apatheticonion wrote: post #32

I'm genuinely shocked at how many of my colleagues are in the anti-vaxx club. Literally half of my team have said they will not get the vaccine when it's available to them. One citing a podcast which talked about how the vaccine causes programmed cell death and the other because "it's all a bit suspicious". Great guys, intelligent and generally good to be around. I didn't know how to react when I found out.

What's your definition of anti-vaxx? To me, anti-vaxx means someone who is positively against vaccines, as in "vaccines give people X, so people shouldn't get vaccines", where X is some undesirable condition, autism, thrombosis, etc. Being skeptic, but not against vaccines is not anti-vaxx. If someone says "I don't know if vaccines are safe", I don't think that's an anti-vaxx stance. In fact, if you don't know about…

There are millions of things that each of us is not expert enough to judge safety of. Why single out this vaccine, while ignoring everything else, including the coronavirus?

Re: Linus Torvalds: Get vaccinated. Stop believing the anti-vax lies

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Post by InTheArena »

ghoward wrote: post #112
dangrossman wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It did go through the same FDA approval process as any vaccine. Full scale clinical trials then FDA review of the results. Getting an EUA means it skipped the normal months-long wait for the FDA to review it, not that it wasn't fully tested. We also now have more safety data on these vaccines than most vaccines ever get, thanks to over 2 billion doses administered worldwide, starting over 6 months ago. There is no re…

Not GP. No, an EUA is not the same thing as the normal FDA approval process. And even if it was, I personally would want more results about long-term effects before I got it.

Please see https://vaccine.unchealthcare.org/science/vaccine-approval/w... and then re-read parent comment.

Re: Linus Torvalds: Get vaccinated. Stop believing the anti-vax lies

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Post by 51Cards »

textgel wrote: post #88
zuminator wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Vaccinated people with asymptomatic infections have a lower viral load and are less likely to transmit the virus to others. https://www.nebraskamed.com/COVID/can-i-still-spread-covid-1...

So still very much transmissible.

Do you step out of your house at all? Because if so, you could be hit by a bus. It's statistically possible, right? Best not do anything if you aren't able to understand relative odds.

It lowers risk. Just like you do when you put on a seatbelt in your car.

Re: Linus Torvalds: Get vaccinated. Stop believing the anti-vax lies

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Post by mark242 »

Negitivefrags wrote: post #99
apatheticonion wrote: post #32

I'm genuinely shocked at how many of my colleagues are in the anti-vaxx club. Literally half of my team have said they will not get the vaccine when it's available to them. One citing a podcast which talked about how the vaccine causes programmed cell death and the other because "it's all a bit suspicious". Great guys, intelligent and generally good to be around. I didn't know how to react when I found out.

I wish people wouldn’t conflate not wanting to take this particular vaccine at this particular time with being “anti-vax”. I am vaccinated. I vaccinate my kids and have done so as recently as a few months ago. I believe in vaccines. But I’m not ready for this one yet. When it has gone through the same FDA approval process as would be used for any vaccine I will be first in line. I don’t see why people are so offended…

The only outstanding FDA approval is around the length of protection. The CDC has said that the covid vaccines are safe and effective. Worldwide, there are 900 million datapoints that say that the vaccines are safe. It will be safe for you and your family.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/sa...

Re: Linus Torvalds: Get vaccinated. Stop believing the anti-vax lies

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Post by daenz »

>It's spreading a lot less these days, largely because people around you have started getting the vaccine

Cases were going down significantly in the USA before the mass rollout of the vaccine. 100% guarantee that people forget that unpleasant fact.

Sources: https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/02/14/why-coronav... https://abc7news.com/covid-cases-in-us-johnson-and-vaccine-c... https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/02/why-covid-...

Re: Linus Torvalds: Get vaccinated. Stop believing the anti-vax lies

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Post by beprogrammed »

ivraatiems wrote: post #20

I still don't like how rude Linus is. I'll never like how rude Linus is. But his explanation of mRNA is nicely done. Hope somebody reading it learns something and realizes they've been lied to. Maybe even gets vaccinated. That'd be worth a mean email or two.

Just to stand as a counter point I like rude Linus.

I feel it's actually less rude and more just straight facts.

Re: Linus Torvalds: Get vaccinated. Stop believing the anti-vax lies

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Post by vnkatesh »

eoo wrote: post #87

I understand how mRNA works. I've got a background in both Chem and CompSci and I read https://berthub.eu/articles/posts/reverse-engineering-source... But I wouldn't use it for the same reason I don't use Bluetooth headsets -- tech is just way too new, and of for some reason there are long term unexpected side effects, we won't know until a decade or two goes by. PS: I'm vaccinated with the viral vector AstraZeneca o…

The technology in its current form has been available since 2005. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RNA_vaccine

Wouldn't you be interested in adopting a new headset with Bluetooth v5 given that you know of v4 (and it's minor pain points?)

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