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Linus Torvalds: Get vaccinated. Stop believing the anti-vax lies

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Re: Linus Torvalds: Get vaccinated. Stop believing the anti-vax lies

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Post by _ea1k »

63 wrote: post #62
vacjrj wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

99.97% survival rate for our demographic. When we can sue should we suffer an adverse reaction, then the cost-benefit analysis may even out. Right now, it’s all but downside.

As always though, it's not about you, it's about the people around you and the people around them. If we all acted selfishly all the time we'd all die.

If the people around him vaccinate, the vast majority of them will be in at least as safe of a group.

I'll admit that this does nothing for high-risk groups that can't safely vaccinate for one reason or another, but I don't see that as a good reason to try to encourage someone to do it that isn't comfortable.

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Post by systemvoltage »

ivraatiems wrote: post #20

I still don't like how rude Linus is. I'll never like how rude Linus is. But his explanation of mRNA is nicely done. Hope somebody reading it learns something and realizes they've been lied to. Maybe even gets vaccinated. That'd be worth a mean email or two.

I find his rudeness hilarious and never serious.

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Post by koyote »

vacjrj wrote: post #77
63 wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As always though, it's not about you, it's about the people around you and the people around them. If we all acted selfishly all the time we'd all die.

What is more moral: - Asking the tiny fraction of the population who are immunocompromised to remain locked down until the safety of vaccines has been empirically verified? - Or asking healthy humans to take an experimental vaccine with no recourse should they suffer adverse effects?

> safety of vaccines has been empirically verified > experimental vaccine

When is the vaccine safe and no longer experimental, according to you? We have now given over 2 billion vaccine doses around the world.

Re: Linus Torvalds: Get vaccinated. Stop believing the anti-vax lies

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Post by thedrbrian »

apatheticonion wrote: post #32

I'm genuinely shocked at how many of my colleagues are in the anti-vaxx club. Literally half of my team have said they will not get the vaccine when it's available to them. One citing a podcast which talked about how the vaccine causes programmed cell death and the other because "it's all a bit suspicious". Great guys, intelligent and generally good to be around. I didn't know how to react when I found out.

Depends how old they are if it’s even worth having Here’s a table of deaths from the last 14 months https://i.imgur.com/zi17EGC.jpg

And then there’s the immunity through exposure https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.05.07.21256823v... https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.06.01.21258176v... Hell even in this thread someone has tried the won’t someone think of the children outrage by talking about spread to a grandchild. Well that chart up there shows youngsters in the uk have nothing to fear.

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Post by DeliriumTrigger »

deadite wrote: post #11
LatteLazy wrote: post #2

Unpopular opinion: watching people struggle and fail or just plain refuse to engage with covid (wear a mask, socially distance, get a vaccine) has really shaken my faith in democracy. I was worried after Trumps election in 2016. But it's not a one-off phenomenon. People just behave randomly, they don't calculate risk, they don't care about facts, they're not even able to be self interested as far as I can tell. Just…

>Edit: I've never had a comment sink so fast. Cest la vie. I'm sort of glad other people think human civilisation is working. Maybe my depression just has me jaded. HN moderation has failed to prevent the platform from being politicized and split up into rightthink and wrongthink, predominantly by allowing political and emotional shitposts that are behind a thin veil of "tech" related topics backed by HN's nebulous "…

You have to stop digging if you can't crawl out of your twisted mind anymore :(

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Post by eyelidlessness »

landemva wrote: post #74
eyelidlessness wrote: post #42

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I normally find his replies offputting and yes, rude. I don’t even find this one rude. Exasperated for sure, as much as many of us feel confronting bullshit that’s killed an absurdly large number of people that could have lived longer and kept more of us in isolation longer than we should have been. I rarely feel this way, but I wish I had the grace and patience and fortitude to express this the way Linus Torvalds di…

"kept more of us in isolation longer than we should have been." That was your politicians and your choice. My family went to Florida last November because it was open w/o masks. Don't play the pretend guilt trip about lockups, when nearly all healthy people recover and then have the antibodies. NY politicians forced known C19 carriers into long term care for elderly, causing mass death in this older vulnerable popula…

Hey you maybe read too much into my comment? I didn’t stay home because any government said so, I did it because it was the best way to keep my community and myself safe. I did so longer than was necessary because people like your family kept going out to socialize, prolonging the wave of infections.

If I got infected I probably wouldn’t have been in much danger other than a yucky cold that made me feel crappy (but I don’t know that, it could have been quite worse). I stayed home to ensure I wasn’t spreading it to people who wouldn’t be so fortunate, or to people who have no choice but to be out in the world but might spread it to their family who might not be so fortunate.

No pretend, no trip, yes guilt. The people who kept the infection pipeline going kept killing people and kept millions of other people inside and isolated from the people we love because we’re not that selfish.

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Post by brown9-2 »

swiley wrote: post #73
apatheticonion wrote: post #32

I'm genuinely shocked at how many of my colleagues are in the anti-vaxx club. Literally half of my team have said they will not get the vaccine when it's available to them. One citing a podcast which talked about how the vaccine causes programmed cell death and the other because "it's all a bit suspicious". Great guys, intelligent and generally good to be around. I didn't know how to react when I found out.

I think part of it was the way companies like Apple Google and Facebook have been handling communication online lately. A lot of people are starting to feel like they have to dig if they want to actually hear what experts are saying.

What experts are being hidden?

Re: Linus Torvalds: Get vaccinated. Stop believing the anti-vax lies

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Post by igetspam »

vacjrj wrote: post #77
63 wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As always though, it's not about you, it's about the people around you and the people around them. If we all acted selfishly all the time we'd all die.

What is more moral: - Asking the tiny fraction of the population who are immunocompromised to remain locked down until the safety of vaccines has been empirically verified? - Or asking healthy humans to take an experimental vaccine with no recourse should they suffer adverse effects?

The moral thing is considering the population at large. What's more moral?

Being selfish and risking others?

Being kind and not holding others hostage because you don't believe in science?

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Post by throwaway2048 »

neilk wrote: post #95
COGlory wrote: post #53

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Computer scientists are phenomenal at understanding human-created systems. They are remarkably worse at understanding non-human created systems, from what I can tell (as a structural biologist). "Tech" (whatever that nebulous word means - basically the people lampooned in 'Silicon Valley) are perhaps one of the most gullible groups of people ever, maybe because they are so focused on a combination disruption (thinkin…

Computer scientists are good at understanding computers. Sometimes. That's pretty much it. Even if you grant that computer scientists are more intelligent than the norm, I find that doesn't help very much. Often, I encounter some computer nerd who has constructed a crystalline tower of logic that's resting on a rickety foundation of evidence and experience.

The more intelligent you are the more susceptible to confirmation bias you are, because you are better at digging up justifications.

Re: Linus Torvalds: Get vaccinated. Stop believing the anti-vax lies

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Post by throwaway2048 »

_ea1k wrote: post #121
63 wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As always though, it's not about you, it's about the people around you and the people around them. If we all acted selfishly all the time we'd all die.

If the people around him vaccinate, the vast majority of them will be in at least as safe of a group. I'll admit that this does nothing for high-risk groups that can't safely vaccinate for one reason or another, but I don't see that as a good reason to try to encourage someone to do it that isn't comfortable.

Because if a large percentage of people are uncomfortable, the pandemic keeps going. It is fundamentally selfish.
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