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Linus Torvalds: Get vaccinated. Stop believing the anti-vax lies

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Re: Linus Torvalds: Get vaccinated. Stop believing the anti-vax lies

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Post by betwixthewires »

schwartzworld wrote: post #18

Story time: My daughters day care has 2 fulltime employees and a part timer. The fulltime staff are vaxxed, the part-time person isn't, despite having been eligible for a loooooong time. Well, guess who got an asymptomatic covid infection, and then went on to spread it to her entire family, including her infant granddaughter. Luckily, the person who infected her got tested and let her know in time for her to not infe…

Selfish how? You can still carry and transmit the virus with the vaccine. You would've all still caught it whether she was vaccinated or not. Of course, if you're all vaccinated it doesn't matter either way.

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Post by seattle_spring »

nvoid wrote: post #4
LatteLazy wrote: post #2

Unpopular opinion: watching people struggle and fail or just plain refuse to engage with covid (wear a mask, socially distance, get a vaccine) has really shaken my faith in democracy. I was worried after Trumps election in 2016. But it's not a one-off phenomenon. People just behave randomly, they don't calculate risk, they don't care about facts, they're not even able to be self interested as far as I can tell. Just…

I want people to be able to calculate risk for themselves rather than have GOVT decide what risks people can and can't take. If one doesn't deem it risky to themselves, perhaps because they are in their 20s and the average age of covid mortality is 80, then it is up to them and it is their personal freedom to choose what to/not do. If you are 90 and have 5 more years left to live, then my all means, stay indoors. Or…

Comments like this one explain why I run into so many people blaring music through bluetooth speakers when I go hiking.

Re: Linus Torvalds: Get vaccinated. Stop believing the anti-vax lies

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Post by swiley »

apatheticonion wrote: post #32

I'm genuinely shocked at how many of my colleagues are in the anti-vaxx club. Literally half of my team have said they will not get the vaccine when it's available to them. One citing a podcast which talked about how the vaccine causes programmed cell death and the other because "it's all a bit suspicious". Great guys, intelligent and generally good to be around. I didn't know how to react when I found out.

I think part of it was the way companies like Apple Google and Facebook have been handling communication online lately. A lot of people are starting to feel like they have to dig if they want to actually hear what experts are saying.

Re: Linus Torvalds: Get vaccinated. Stop believing the anti-vax lies

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Post by landemva »

eyelidlessness wrote: post #42
ivraatiems wrote: post #20

I still don't like how rude Linus is. I'll never like how rude Linus is. But his explanation of mRNA is nicely done. Hope somebody reading it learns something and realizes they've been lied to. Maybe even gets vaccinated. That'd be worth a mean email or two.

I normally find his replies offputting and yes, rude. I don’t even find this one rude. Exasperated for sure, as much as many of us feel confronting bullshit that’s killed an absurdly large number of people that could have lived longer and kept more of us in isolation longer than we should have been. I rarely feel this way, but I wish I had the grace and patience and fortitude to express this the way Linus Torvalds di…

"kept more of us in isolation longer than we should have been."

That was your politicians and your choice. My family went to Florida last November because it was open w/o masks.

Don't play the pretend guilt trip about lockups, when nearly all healthy people recover and then have the antibodies. NY politicians forced known C19 carriers into long term care for elderly, causing mass death in this older vulnerable population. Indictments pending??

Re: Linus Torvalds: Get vaccinated. Stop believing the anti-vax lies

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Post by zuminator »

betwixthewires wrote: post #71
schwartzworld wrote: post #18

Story time: My daughters day care has 2 fulltime employees and a part timer. The fulltime staff are vaxxed, the part-time person isn't, despite having been eligible for a loooooong time. Well, guess who got an asymptomatic covid infection, and then went on to spread it to her entire family, including her infant granddaughter. Luckily, the person who infected her got tested and let her know in time for her to not infe…

Selfish how? You can still carry and transmit the virus with the vaccine. You would've all still caught it whether she was vaccinated or not. Of course, if you're all vaccinated it doesn't matter either way.

Vaccinated people with asymptomatic infections have a lower viral load and are less likely to transmit the virus to others.

https://www.nebraskamed.com/COVID/can-i-still-spread-covid-1...

Re: Linus Torvalds: Get vaccinated. Stop believing the anti-vax lies

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Post by betwixthewires »

rektide wrote: post #24
LatteLazy wrote: post #2

Unpopular opinion: watching people struggle and fail or just plain refuse to engage with covid (wear a mask, socially distance, get a vaccine) has really shaken my faith in democracy. I was worried after Trumps election in 2016. But it's not a one-off phenomenon. People just behave randomly, they don't calculate risk, they don't care about facts, they're not even able to be self interested as far as I can tell. Just…

I'd love to know how the rest of the world experienced the anti-societal refuseniks of Covid. In America, we've had their ticket for a long time, a persistent extremely vocal segment of society that refuses to get along, that always has very important opinions on other people's business & how to do things, that seems to have created their own social strata on being anti-societal, anti-cooperative, generally just anti…

I really like this comment, but I'm having a hard time picking out which group you're referring to. Are you talking about the people who "lose faith in democracy" because other people make their own decisions for themselves (however risky those decisions are), or the ones who think it is their duty to run around making decisions for others?

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Post by vacjrj »

63 wrote: post #62
vacjrj wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

99.97% survival rate for our demographic. When we can sue should we suffer an adverse reaction, then the cost-benefit analysis may even out. Right now, it’s all but downside.

As always though, it's not about you, it's about the people around you and the people around them. If we all acted selfishly all the time we'd all die.

What is more moral:

- Asking the tiny fraction of the population who are immunocompromised to remain locked down until the safety of vaccines has been empirically verified?

- Or asking healthy humans to take an experimental vaccine with no recourse should they suffer adverse effects?

Re: Linus Torvalds: Get vaccinated. Stop believing the anti-vax lies

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Post by effie »

63 wrote: post #62
vacjrj wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

99.97% survival rate for our demographic. When we can sue should we suffer an adverse reaction, then the cost-benefit analysis may even out. Right now, it’s all but downside.

As always though, it's not about you, it's about the people around you and the people around them. If we all acted selfishly all the time we'd all die.

My body is not about me? Which people around me are more affected when I take vaccine than me?

Re: Linus Torvalds: Get vaccinated. Stop believing the anti-vax lies

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Post by sidlls »

COGlory wrote: post #53
lvs wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, I'm afraid I have to disagree that I'm not at all shocked about this level of ignorance brewing within the tech community. These people are very susceptible to snake oil health claims about things like nutrition, "nootropics" and the faux medicine of infinite dilution. So why wouldn't they also be susceptible to misinformation about real biotechnology?

Computer scientists are phenomenal at understanding human-created systems. They are remarkably worse at understanding non-human created systems, from what I can tell (as a structural biologist). "Tech" (whatever that nebulous word means - basically the people lampooned in 'Silicon Valley) are perhaps one of the most gullible groups of people ever, maybe because they are so focused on a combination disruption (thinkin…

They're phenomenal at understanding a narrow slice of human-created systems at that (those pertaining to computing, typically).

Re: Linus Torvalds: Get vaccinated. Stop believing the anti-vax lies

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Post by landemva »

jiggawatts wrote: post #29
cromwellian wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You've got doctors , presumably educated people who actually learned how DNA, RNA, works, telling lawmakers that vaccines cause people to be interfaced with 5G towers, like what, an X-Men techno-virus? I mean WTF, how can professionals be so INSANE? And it's not just this person, there are lots of QAnon idiots spreading this mindvirus all over the net. https://fox8.com/news/coronavirus/cleveland-doctor-tells-ohi...

You know how when you watch the news and they talk about something that you have first-hand experience of? You instantly realise that they have no clue what they're talking about! Half the article is gibberish, the other is a willful misunderstanding. Then the next article goes on about some topic you don't know, and suddenly you have this nagging suspicion that... hey... maybe they're bullshitting about this too! Th…

Certainly your choice to take something with just an emergency use approval. If you are in USA, consider reading about what docs are useful to have, in case you would need compensation from the vaccine injury fund.
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