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Linus Torvalds: Get vaccinated. Stop believing the anti-vax lies

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Re: Linus Torvalds: Get vaccinated. Stop believing the anti-vax lies

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The world has always seemed far ruder & far more off-base. In every circumstance. Linus isn't always a good role model for how to behave, but it is enormously relieving sometimes, in a world that feels batshit insane, to hear someone else processing-out-loud their strong reactions.

Most people prefer to be lied to by someone pleasant than have their stupidity accurately and bluntly laid bare. That's the short of it. I've never seen a Linus rant be a personal attack. Every time, he's pointing out that someone who ought to know better is being dangerously stupid to the detriment of a great many others. Some people take offence at this -- even if they're not the target of Linus' ire -- because the…

> I've never seen a Linus rant be a personal attack.

He called for someone to be 'retroactively aborted'.

> they mistakenly believe that everyone has the right to be treated nicely

Everyone should have the right to be treated reasonably nicely, even if they misbehave, unless there's some kind of threat to life or some other extreme that obviously never comes up in the context of software development.

Re: Linus Torvalds: Get vaccinated. Stop believing the anti-vax lies

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I'm genuinely shocked at how many of my colleagues are in the anti-vaxx club. Literally half of my team have said they will not get the vaccine when it's available to them. One citing a podcast which talked about how the vaccine causes programmed cell death and the other because "it's all a bit suspicious". Great guys, intelligent and generally good to be around. I didn't know how to react when I found out.

99.97% survival rate for our demographic. When we can sue should we suffer an adverse reaction, then the cost-benefit analysis may even out. Right now, it’s all but downside.

As always though, it's not about you, it's about the people around you and the people around them. If we all acted selfishly all the time we'd all die.

Re: Linus Torvalds: Get vaccinated. Stop believing the anti-vax lies

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post #62
post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

99.97% survival rate for our demographic. When we can sue should we suffer an adverse reaction, then the cost-benefit analysis may even out. Right now, it’s all but downside.

As always though, it's not about you, it's about the people around you and the people around them. If we all acted selfishly all the time we'd all die.

How many documented cases of mass, true altruism are there, out of curiosity?

I'm in agreeance that people should get the vaccine, but I'm under no illusion that for a normal (selfish) person, the cost-benefit is a little wonky.

Re: Linus Torvalds: Get vaccinated. Stop believing the anti-vax lies

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post #54

I'm genuinely shocked at how many of my colleagues are in the anti-vaxx club. Literally half of my team have said they will not get the vaccine when it's available to them. One citing a podcast which talked about how the vaccine causes programmed cell death and the other because "it's all a bit suspicious". Great guys, intelligent and generally good to be around. I didn't know how to react when I found out.

99.97% survival rate for our demographic. When we can sue should we suffer an adverse reaction, then the cost-benefit analysis may even out. Right now, it’s all but downside.

May I ask, what is our demographic?

Re: Linus Torvalds: Get vaccinated. Stop believing the anti-vax lies

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post #22

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This is just proving that even the slightest suspicion of a semiserious side effect is being thoroughly investigated, as opposed to the anti-vaxer propaganda claims.

I"m not an anti-vaxxer at all, and despite what I'm about to tell you, I do think the COVID vaccine is a good idea for most people. My MIL just died as a result of her second Pfizer shot. It was a rare side-effect that's happened to less than 100 people in the US, according to another person in my neighborhood who I found out had the same thing as my MIL happen to him, who is more informed than they normally allow a…

Can you provide link to any follow up the researchers are doing?

Trust in health institutions is very much misplaced. The science is good, after decades of refinement, but the people are often egotistical and imminently fallible.

Do not trust doctors. Do your own research. Trust scientists, but verify.

Re: Linus Torvalds: Get vaccinated. Stop believing the anti-vax lies

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post #54

I'm genuinely shocked at how many of my colleagues are in the anti-vaxx club. Literally half of my team have said they will not get the vaccine when it's available to them. One citing a podcast which talked about how the vaccine causes programmed cell death and the other because "it's all a bit suspicious". Great guys, intelligent and generally good to be around. I didn't know how to react when I found out.

99.97% survival rate for our demographic. When we can sue should we suffer an adverse reaction, then the cost-benefit analysis may even out. Right now, it’s all but downside.

Sorry, what is "our" demographic?

Re: Linus Torvalds: Get vaccinated. Stop believing the anti-vax lies

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Unpopular opinion: watching people struggle and fail or just plain refuse to engage with covid (wear a mask, socially distance, get a vaccine) has really shaken my faith in democracy. I was worried after Trumps election in 2016. But it's not a one-off phenomenon. People just behave randomly, they don't calculate risk, they don't care about facts, they're not even able to be self interested as far as I can tell. Just…

It’s not irrational for people who aren’t worried about Covid to not worry about it. I didn’t downvote you and I understand your point of view, but you have to take other people’s perspectives into consideration - to me, Covid is a bad flu and I’m not stressing over something that has a much smaller likelihood of killing me than my weekend skydives do.
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