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Linus Torvalds: Get vaccinated. Stop believing the anti-vax lies

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Re: Linus Torvalds: Get vaccinated. Stop believing the anti-vax lies

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Post by SV_BubbleTime »

jiggawatts wrote: post #29
cromwellian wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You've got doctors , presumably educated people who actually learned how DNA, RNA, works, telling lawmakers that vaccines cause people to be interfaced with 5G towers, like what, an X-Men techno-virus? I mean WTF, how can professionals be so INSANE? And it's not just this person, there are lots of QAnon idiots spreading this mindvirus all over the net. https://fox8.com/news/coronavirus/cleveland-doctor-tells-ohi...

You know how when you watch the news and they talk about something that you have first-hand experience of? You instantly realise that they have no clue what they're talking about! Half the article is gibberish, the other is a willful misunderstanding. Then the next article goes on about some topic you don't know, and suddenly you have this nagging suspicion that... hey... maybe they're bullshitting about this too! Th…

Gell-Mann Amnesia Effect if you want the actual term for it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murray_Gell-Mann

Re: Linus Torvalds: Get vaccinated. Stop believing the anti-vax lies

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Post by eyelidlessness »

ivraatiems wrote: post #20

I still don't like how rude Linus is. I'll never like how rude Linus is. But his explanation of mRNA is nicely done. Hope somebody reading it learns something and realizes they've been lied to. Maybe even gets vaccinated. That'd be worth a mean email or two.

I normally find his replies offputting and yes, rude. I don’t even find this one rude. Exasperated for sure, as much as many of us feel confronting bullshit that’s killed an absurdly large number of people that could have lived longer and kept more of us in isolation longer than we should have been.

I rarely feel this way, but I wish I had the grace and patience and fortitude to express this the way Linus Torvalds did.

Re: Linus Torvalds: Get vaccinated. Stop believing the anti-vax lies

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Post by lvs »

apatheticonion wrote: post #32

I'm genuinely shocked at how many of my colleagues are in the anti-vaxx club. Literally half of my team have said they will not get the vaccine when it's available to them. One citing a podcast which talked about how the vaccine causes programmed cell death and the other because "it's all a bit suspicious". Great guys, intelligent and generally good to be around. I didn't know how to react when I found out.

Well, I'm afraid I have to disagree that I'm not at all shocked about this level of ignorance brewing within the tech community. These people are very susceptible to snake oil health claims about things like nutrition, "nootropics" and the faux medicine of infinite dilution. So why wouldn't they also be susceptible to misinformation about real biotechnology?

Re: Linus Torvalds: Get vaccinated. Stop believing the anti-vax lies

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Post by devchips09 »

I know a PhD in intelligence community that argued with me not to get the vaccine. He's not a biologist and stupid people work for intelligence agencies, but to wash away all criticisms of mRNA vaccines as misinformed lies is false.

And it only serves to divide people more.

I love DARPA but they are the ones who invented the mRNA vaccine approximately 10 years ago. No one knows the long-term effects. Plus we live in a society where they openly lie to us over meaningless things, then you question them and they say, "Questioning me is questioning science."

There's a lot of problems here that have nothing to do with politics. It has to do with power and the influence of the state when it feels justified to manage its population.

https://www.darpa.mil/news-events/2017-02-06a

Re: Linus Torvalds: Get vaccinated. Stop believing the anti-vax lies

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Post by xt00 »

JPKab wrote: post #27
booblik wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is just proving that even the slightest suspicion of a semiserious side effect is being thoroughly investigated, as opposed to the anti-vaxer propaganda claims.

I"m not an anti-vaxxer at all, and despite what I'm about to tell you, I do think the COVID vaccine is a good idea for most people. My MIL just died as a result of her second Pfizer shot. It was a rare side-effect that's happened to less than 100 people in the US, according to another person in my neighborhood who I found out had the same thing as my MIL happen to him, who is more informed than they normally allow a…

Anything to corroborate what you said that we can look at publicly? You've mentioned this story on a number of threads, so would be helpful to have a story to point to that was reported someplace when talking about this rather than saying "some guy on the internet said X".

Re: Linus Torvalds: Get vaccinated. Stop believing the anti-vax lies

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Post by lvs »

LatteLazy wrote: post #2

Unpopular opinion: watching people struggle and fail or just plain refuse to engage with covid (wear a mask, socially distance, get a vaccine) has really shaken my faith in democracy. I was worried after Trumps election in 2016. But it's not a one-off phenomenon. People just behave randomly, they don't calculate risk, they don't care about facts, they're not even able to be self interested as far as I can tell. Just…

I don't know why you're being downvoted, but I suspect it proves your point.

Re: Linus Torvalds: Get vaccinated. Stop believing the anti-vax lies

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Post by booblik »

JPKab wrote: post #27
booblik wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is just proving that even the slightest suspicion of a semiserious side effect is being thoroughly investigated, as opposed to the anti-vaxer propaganda claims.

I"m not an anti-vaxxer at all, and despite what I'm about to tell you, I do think the COVID vaccine is a good idea for most people. My MIL just died as a result of her second Pfizer shot. It was a rare side-effect that's happened to less than 100 people in the US, according to another person in my neighborhood who I found out had the same thing as my MIL happen to him, who is more informed than they normally allow a…

I don’t have much trust in American institutions, luckily the vaccines are scrutinized globally, as this link actually shows findings from Israel.

Re: Linus Torvalds: Get vaccinated. Stop believing the anti-vax lies

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Post by fuckyah »

apatheticonion wrote: post #32

I'm genuinely shocked at how many of my colleagues are in the anti-vaxx club. Literally half of my team have said they will not get the vaccine when it's available to them. One citing a podcast which talked about how the vaccine causes programmed cell death and the other because "it's all a bit suspicious". Great guys, intelligent and generally good to be around. I didn't know how to react when I found out.

The vaxx protects you from a severe outcome, not from getting or transmitting it. Half the country won’t get vaxxed. For the vaxxed it shouldn’t make a difference if someone else is not vaxxed. So I suggest you start working on your tolerance.
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