Linus Torvalds on mRNA Vaccines

Post by dvt » Thu, Jun 10, 2021, 11:22 PM UTC

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> Thank you, Linus for standing up to the wealth of misinformation out there and holding his ground. Being a pompous ass might feel good, especially when you think you are (or you actually are) smarter than your opponent, but it won't sway anyone. In fact, it does quite the opposite. If you're seriously trying to convince someone they're wrong, you need to be kind, be patient, and have a calm, productive discussion -…

> Social IQ isn't really HN's forte. Rude and uncalled for, even after your edit. Patient discussion is ineffective on people who are acting in bad faith. It is counterproductive. There is no debate to be had. No one is genuinely trying to learn anything here. By giving con artists and dangerous vaccine conspiracies a space, you legitimize their line of questionning. LKML is not a place to send anti-vax emails or to…

Post by azinman2 » Thu, Jun 10, 2021, 11:23 PM UTC

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It's also not like this is the first vaccine, or even the first mRNA vaccine. So we have analogs and precedents we can use. My understanding is that was heavily used in the clinical trials before roll out -- an understanding from previous vaccines that if someone majority were to go wrong it would go wrong in the first few months, and not 5+ years later.

> So we have analogs and precedents we can use. You gotta be careful. Biology is not always "linearly interpolable" like that. > "if someone majority were to go wrong it would go wrong in the first few months, and not 5+ years later". You REALLY can't say that. There are plenty of medical conditions that will not manifest at all until years later.

Post by moralestapia » Thu, Jun 10, 2021, 11:23 PM UTC

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Well, there's a lot of evidence for mRNA transfer between species in other kingdoms; read on about reverse transcriptase [1] that is literally how some viruses spread when they enter the human body. Whether that mechanism still goes on when some of the components are missing, well, we presume it won't happen but there's not enough and definite evidence for that. And for those who love appealing to authority, I do hav…

It seems that according to these papers, if there was vaccine mRNA in the reproductive tract immediately prior to or immediately after fertilization, then theoretically the spike protein could possibly get integrated into the offspring’s genome. But how could the vaccine mRNA end up in the reproductive tract? Seems unlikely. It’s intramuscular, not in a vein. The implications of sperm-mediated reverse transcription a…

Post by fastball » Thu, Jun 10, 2021, 11:23 PM UTC

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Absolutely agree with everything Linus says here. But I'm almost equally concerned that there's an awful lot of people on the pro-science bandwagon who don't actually support science, but simply don't tolerate dissent or questioning, and that's unscientific and potentially harmful too. I scanned most of the Pfizer trial and was wondering why we expected the immunity after the vaccine to last longer than natural immun…

https://americasvoice.news/video/DHUF0DZxs4KXyGX Jump to the 5 min mark. Dude explains some other stuff that works but is being suppressed. For reference, I’m pro vaccine, but not one that hasn’t been tested for 10 years. Especially not for a disease that has a 99.99% survival rate in my age range. I’m appalled that anyone with an opinion (who’s educated!) can’t share that opinion, they’ve been banned. For reference,…

Post by splithalf » Thu, Jun 10, 2021, 11:24 PM UTC

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This is good. Now states are combating such hesitancy by drawing lottery for vaccinated folks. Like, having this magic, absolutely mind boggling potion that prevents serious illness and death *isn't* already the lottery win of our lifetime?? People in India and elsewhere are dying because of lack of vaccines and here we have educated, first world countries struggle to get their citizens vaccinated. Unfortunately sham…

Some class of vaccine hesitancy boils down to miscalculating expected value. The expected value of getting a vaccine is very high, but people choose not to anyway, presumably due to misinformation or miscalculation. Lotteries here are exploiting miscalculations of expected value to incentivize behavior (0.1% of saving my life? phaw, but $100 expected value?!). It feels a bit like patching a security bug with its own…