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Linus Torvalds on mRNA Vaccines

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Re: Linus Torvalds on mRNA Vaccines

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Robert W. Malone _claims_ to be the inventor of mRNA vaccines and on his web site there's a long explanation of how he had the patents first and so on (https://www.rwmalonemd.com/mrna-vaccine-inventor) but I can't find ANY reference to him being the inventor of mRNA vaccines other than pages and bios that he has written himself. So I'll take it with a pinch of salt thanks.

Re: Linus Torvalds on mRNA Vaccines

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I just happen to know a lot of anesthesiologists and they went to all of med school - I didn't. They were easy to ask and know more than me. The first nurse, again, more medical education than me to begin with, was very interested in the science beyond his work and was obviously briefed on the situation at work as it changed. I just figured it might have been more common knowledge than it turned out to be. My point i…

It's a little bit like asking a random software engineer on the street on how GPU drivers work internally: they're unlikely to have an actual informed opinion.

The alternative here is ignoring the software engineer, and instead asking the crazy person on the corner who’s shouting at the sky and wearing his underwear on his head.

Getting the perspective of the software engineer is a reasonable step, and certainly better than basing your beliefs on the rankings of the insane person.

Re: Linus Torvalds on mRNA Vaccines

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> Reading Fauci's emails also makes me hesitate. Which ones, specifically? I keep seeing people say this. There are thousands of pages in the PDF and no one seems to be able to quote anything actually concerning.

They are all over the web. But clearly if you take them all in, you come away from it with the impression that he really pushed gain of function research and hid the fact once this took off last spring. Most of what he said in hind sight and with these emails seems to be more about politics and less about science and educating the masses. The messaging on masks should have been that only n95 or better are worth the t…

> The messaging on masks should have been that only n95 or better are worth the time

Which is simply rubbish.

Masks of all kinds will prevent transmission albeit with varying levels of efficacy. And most importantly they impact human behaviour in ways which prevent transmission.

Not to mention that N95 masks are more expensive which would have reduced its use by people who are poorer and are far more likely to spread the virus i.e. they are more likely to have multiple jobs, travel further for their job, work longer hours etc.

Re: Linus Torvalds on mRNA Vaccines

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I'm glad Linus stepped in on this one. Unrelated question here - how are people actually consuming mailing lists like this? I always find these links difficult to read and have always assumed there much be some superior format, alternative typefaces for one.

A good Email client can do a good job of displaying the messages, and sorting them into appropriate folders.

But if you are not subscribed, then all the web ui's I've seen for mailing lists are painful to use.

Re: Linus Torvalds on mRNA Vaccines

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mRNA doesn't change your genetic sequence in any way. It is the exact same intermediate - and temporary - kind of material that your cells generate internally all the time as part of your normal cell processes The m in mRNA stands for messenger. I'm failing to find anything I consider to be a succinct explanation in layman's terms (other than the one in the piece under discussion: all that the mRNA vaccines do is to…

>The m in mRNA stands for messenger. Whoops, you got it backwards. Nature does not really care whatever names we give to things. Come on, you can do better than that :)

I have no idea what on earth you are trying to say to me.

I'm a former homemaker whose interest in understanding genetic stuff in layman's terms is rooted in having a deadly genetic disorder.

I know lots of useful health info and I had a class in medical terminology as part of a certificate program while doing a corporate job that involved reading medical records all day, but I sometimes have significant trouble following scientific discussions and I am deeply grateful for the many people on HN who have kindly and respectfully explained things to me in layman's terms because it has literally helped to save my life.

Re: Linus Torvalds on mRNA Vaccines

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> Reading Fauci's emails also makes me hesitate. Which ones, specifically? I keep seeing people say this. There are thousands of pages in the PDF and no one seems to be able to quote anything actually concerning.

They are all over the web. But clearly if you take them all in, you come away from it with the impression that he really pushed gain of function research and hid the fact once this took off last spring. Most of what he said in hind sight and with these emails seems to be more about politics and less about science and educating the masses. The messaging on masks should have been that only n95 or better are worth the t…

See, there’s that dodge. No concerning quote. Not even a page number. Just dark, vague assertions.

I know it’s all over the web; I skimmed quite a few pages. You’re claiming concerning stuff lurks within - support the assertion.

Re: Linus Torvalds on mRNA Vaccines

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Well, there's a lot of evidence for mRNA transfer between species in other kingdoms; read on about reverse transcriptase [1] that is literally how some viruses spread when they enter the human body. Whether that mechanism still goes on when some of the components are missing, well, we presume it won't happen but there's not enough and definite evidence for that. And for those who love appealing to authority, I do hav…

The mRNA in this case has chromosomes that cannot be replicated by nature. You might try researching the mRNA vaccine.

This is very wrong. You mean nucleotides, not chromosomes – but they don't need to be replicated, so long as the codons are. The custom not-found-in-nature nucleotide is equivalent to a natural one, for all purposes except being detected by the immune system.

The mRNA is at no point transcribed into DNA. I think this is what you meant – but it might help if you researched the mRNA vaccine before posting internet comments!

Re: Linus Torvalds on mRNA Vaccines

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The mRNA in this case has chromosomes that cannot be replicated by nature. You might try researching the mRNA vaccine.

That's what you don't seem to get. I'm not saying it does happen, neither am I saying it does not happen. There's not enough evidence, that's it. Why is that so hard to grasp? And there's evidence of it happening in plenty of other contexts, so one wouldn't be crazy to believe that at least, in principle, it could happen here as well.

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Re: Linus Torvalds on mRNA Vaccines

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Reading Fauci's emails also makes me hesitate. Which ones, specifically? I keep seeing people say this. There are thousands of pages in the PDF and no one seems to be able to quote anything actually concerning.

They are all over the web. But clearly if you take them all in, you come away from it with the impression that he really pushed gain of function research and hid the fact once this took off last spring. Most of what he said in hind sight and with these emails seems to be more about politics and less about science and educating the masses. The messaging on masks should have been that only n95 or better are worth the t…

> worth the time

is completely relative to the observer. a piece of shitty fabric over your face won't stop n95 levels of transmission but it is better than nothing. To some of us, it's "worth the time" to be less likely to spread even if by a very small margin.

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