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There are a LOT of anti-vaxxers who disingenuously couch their advocacy as "I'm only asking questions". It's no surprise when you've seen a 10:1 ratio of bad actors to good (or worse), one might get a little exasperated. In any case, I've recently been reading Lauren Sompayrac's "How the Immune System Works", and it's a technical overview of the immune system. It's not going to make you into a full blown immunologist…
Is that a book?
Linus Torvalds on mRNA Vaccines
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Re: Linus Torvalds on mRNA Vaccines
#152Ivermectin and HCQ sure got shut down hard even though recent studies are giving them some credit. If they had been a valid option, emergency use authorisation wouldn't have been granted. I honestly don't know what to think about all of this. I've seen a lot of censorship and stifling of speech. Reading Fauci's emails also makes me hesitate. I think trust in the experts will really take a hit going forward. I did get…
Can you point to a specific email that makes you hesitant?
Re: Linus Torvalds on mRNA Vaccines
#153I cant +1 this enough. Thank you, Linus for standing up to the wealth of misinformation out there and holding his ground.
> Thank you, Linus for standing up to the wealth of misinformation out there and holding his ground. Being a pompous ass might feel good, especially when you think you are (or you actually are) smarter than your opponent, but it won't sway anyone. In fact, it does quite the opposite. If you're seriously trying to convince someone they're wrong, you need to be kind, be patient, and have a calm, productive discussion -…
I agreed with you until the last paragraph, where it seems to me like you just fell into the trap you were warning us about. Not sure if that was your intention, but that's what it looks like.
The first part is definitely true though. Calling somebody an idiot is probably one of the worst ways to get them to agree with you, even if they are spouting idiocy. I won't pretend I have a solution to anti-vax beliefs, but simply calling them stupid won't make them disappear.
Re: Linus Torvalds on mRNA Vaccines
#154Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Thank you, Linus for standing up to the wealth of misinformation out there and holding his ground. Being a pompous ass might feel good, especially when you think you are (or you actually are) smarter than your opponent, but it won't sway anyone. In fact, it does quite the opposite. If you're seriously trying to convince someone they're wrong, you need to be kind, be patient, and have a calm, productive discussion -…
Actually, deplatforming, shaming trolls, and shifting the Overton window back probably works [0] [0]: https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2021/01/16/misinfo...
Yes, and don't forget about gaslighting that this isn't actually happening.
Re: Linus Torvalds on mRNA Vaccines
#155Ivermectin and HCQ sure got shut down hard even though recent studies are giving them some credit. If they had been a valid option, emergency use authorisation wouldn't have been granted. I honestly don't know what to think about all of this. I've seen a lot of censorship and stifling of speech. Reading Fauci's emails also makes me hesitate. I think trust in the experts will really take a hit going forward. I did get…
Ivermectin and HCQ were shut down because people were promoting as an alternative to a vaccine.
It's not. It is a supplement to the vaccine for people who are already hospitalised.
Re: Linus Torvalds on mRNA Vaccines
#156Ivermectin and HCQ sure got shut down hard even though recent studies are giving them some credit. If they had been a valid option, emergency use authorisation wouldn't have been granted. I honestly don't know what to think about all of this. I've seen a lot of censorship and stifling of speech. Reading Fauci's emails also makes me hesitate. I think trust in the experts will really take a hit going forward. I did get…
Will you share your sources re: "recent studies giving [HCQ and ivermectin] credit"? I haven't seen anything positive about those drugs in COVID-19 in human patients. For example, the RECOVERY trial showed no benefit (and non-significant numerical harm) for HCQ: https://www.nejm.org/doi/10.1056/NEJMoa2022926
Here's a pre print from today. Credible authors so I do expect it to go the distance:
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.05.28.21258012v...
This expose on the suppression of ivermectin is telling: https://covid19criticalcare.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/T...
Lots of studies referenced in it.
Re: Linus Torvalds on mRNA Vaccines
#157Earlier quoted context omitted.
There are a LOT of anti-vaxxers who disingenuously couch their advocacy as "I'm only asking questions". It's no surprise when you've seen a 10:1 ratio of bad actors to good (or worse), one might get a little exasperated. In any case, I've recently been reading Lauren Sompayrac's "How the Immune System Works", and it's a technical overview of the immune system. It's not going to make you into a full blown immunologist…
> There are a LOT of anti-vaxxers who disingenuously couch their advocacy as "I'm only asking questions" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sealioning
I’ve been accused of this before and it’s fucking bullshit.
Re: Linus Torvalds on mRNA Vaccines
#158I am eagerly awaiting my vaccine, however we are all alpha/beta testers. A real concern is about safety of those vaccines as typically they require ~3 years of testing and a single fatality aborts their use. Would you give alpha version to people you love? Why is this concern downplayed? I understand statistics but we have no clue what could go wrong in an early version of a new technology and no data on long-term im…
Good point. Also, the deaths involved to these vaccines are much higher than previous runs (think it was swine flu), where vaccinations were halted after 25 or so fatalities.
Ultimately, get it if you want it... your helmet doesn't require other people to wear theirs.
Re: Linus Torvalds on mRNA Vaccines
#159Earlier quoted context omitted.
TL;DR you heard claims of vaccines' prophylactic effect lasting for years, from somewhere unnamed, and you correctly heard from people in the medical field that no one has any idea of how long it'll last, we're barely 6 months into have a sizable cohort to analyze this with in the US, which itself is far ahead of most of the world. Another massive factor is we have no idea how fast the virus will mutate. Edit: oh, th…
We have a fairly good idea about how it will mutate actually. COVID is probably one of the most heavily studied and sequenced viruses ever, and a lot of research has been published on likely mutagenic pathways. The media as always has sensationalized every new strain found and their behaviour is cause for concern, but researchers have not been sounding the alarm over possible vaccine escape - the evidence points to t…
We do have a fairly good idea, but certainly not enough to describe it's exact relationship to exactly how long we can except vaccines to last, to OP's concern :)
I don't think the media has sensatialized any of the strains, and I am equally unconcerned as you. I expect I may need a booster in a year, probably in reality two, but one is safer under uncertainty.
Re: Linus Torvalds on mRNA Vaccines
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I just happen to know a lot of anesthesiologists and they went to all of med school - I didn't. They were easy to ask and know more than me. The first nurse, again, more medical education than me to begin with, was very interested in the science beyond his work and was obviously briefed on the situation at work as it changed. I just figured it might have been more common knowledge than it turned out to be. My point i…
It's a little bit like asking a random software engineer on the street on how GPU drivers work internally: they're unlikely to have an actual informed opinion.
Worse, maybe even an ill-informed opinion since they might feel like they should know how GPU drivers work since they're in the industry and start spouting off smart sounding techno-babble. I know a few nurses myself, they're not a good source for medical advice but people trust them anyway. Hell, my mom does clerical work in a hospital, and people ask her for medical advice.