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Heart inflammation cases in young men higher than expected after mRNA vaccines

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Re: Heart inflammation cases in young men higher than expected after mRNA vaccines

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Post by throwaway5752 »

Kognito wrote: post #25

Very interesting given one of the lesser known complications of covid can be myocarditis in otherwise healthy individuals with few or no other covid symptoms. In fact, it’s likely the incidence of covid-induced myocarditis is vastly underreported given it often shows no symptoms and can only reasonably be diagnosed with a cardiac MRI which is not always widely available or advised for less-serious heart conditions. I…

I would "take your chances" (quotes because it's both rare and temporary according to the linked article) with the vaccine rather than risk infection with covid: https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/the-hidden-long-term-cog...

Re: Heart inflammation cases in young men higher than expected after mRNA vaccines

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Post by HPsquared »

sudosysgen wrote: post #100
nwellnhof wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This depends a lot on the probability of contracting Covid at all. Roughly speaking, if there's a 1% chance to contract the disease, the vaccine has to be at least 100 times safer. As the chance to catch Covid decreases over time, the risks associated with vaccines become more of a problem.

Without vaccines the risk of catching covid is of around 70% at least.

Is that for an individual not taking the vaccine but benefiting from herd immunity of others, or a person in a while society without vaccines?

Re: Heart inflammation cases in young men higher than expected after mRNA vaccines

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Post by tomp »

iso1210 wrote: post #60
Swenrekcah wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For those getting worried like I was, it’s 0.002% or one in 50,000, not 0.02% or one in 5,000.

I think in general percentages less than 0.1% should be reported as "1-in-XXX". Certainly when I create pages to measure packet loss I put 1 in 50,000 rather than 0.002%

All percentages should be reported as "1-in-XXX".

The difference (in "certainty", not "risk") between 90% (1-in-10) and 95% (1-in-20) is the same as the difference between 98% (1-in-50) and 99% (1-in-100).

Re: Heart inflammation cases in young men higher than expected after mRNA vaccines

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Post by eganist »

drcross wrote: post #161
EMM_386 wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The human heart has a lot of ACE2 receptors, which is what Covid binds to. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7239191/ I wonder if you can get myocarditits both from exposure and the vaccine. Covid is in your heart tissue, triggering an immune response. When you get the vaccine, your immune system is going to ramp up even further to deal with this Covid in your heart. This would only affect people who had p…

>which is what Covid binds to. You mean the SARS-2 spike protein binds to the ACE receptors. mRNA vaccines create the spike protein so it's going to work in exactly the same way as natural infection. Recent research from Japan is showing that the spike protein from vaccination is not staying at the injection site it can get into the blood stream (and causes blood clots as are widely reported), crossing the blood brai…

> I've done enough research to know what I'm talking about

The standard practice is for those making the assertion to provide their references or data. Since you've done the research, can you please link any published and peer reviewed research establishing that the health risks from the vaccine are within two orders of magnitude of the health risks from the virus? Including morbidity, mortality, etc.

> The smartest people I know have reached the same conclusion.

Can you please reference them as well so I can read their published content?

Re: Heart inflammation cases in young men higher than expected after mRNA vaccines

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Post by Kognito »

pcbro141 wrote: post #163
Kognito wrote: post #25

Very interesting given one of the lesser known complications of covid can be myocarditis in otherwise healthy individuals with few or no other covid symptoms. In fact, it’s likely the incidence of covid-induced myocarditis is vastly underreported given it often shows no symptoms and can only reasonably be diagnosed with a cardiac MRI which is not always widely available or advised for less-serious heart conditions. I…

I'm curious if you were prescribed any treatment for myocarditis if you don't mind me asking?

Questions are more than welcome :)

No treatment, just a follow up cardiac MRI after 3 months which showed (thankfully) a resolution of inflammation and normal heart function. Was prescribed low-dose beta blockers if the palpitations bothered me too much though didn’t end up needing them.

As I understand it the typical approach is to wait and see since the majority of cases resolve without treatment - though I’ve noticed in the US it’s more popular to prescribe a low-dose cocktail of various heart meds. Not aware of any clinical data on their effectiveness in mild cases.

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Post by skocznymroczny »

bonzini wrote: post #71
yk wrote: post #38

Slightly off topic, but it is quite interesting that US media very consistently uses "Pfizer" if the news is good and some variant of "Pfizer/Biontec" if the news is bad. The opposite holds of course for the German press, which addresses the vaccine as "Biontec" when the news is good.

Somebody even made a copypasta about it in Italian. My translation is the following: "I’d just like to interject for a moment. What you’re refering to as Pfizer vaccine, is in fact, the BioNTech-Pfizer vaccine, or as I’ve recently taken to calling it, BioNTech plus Pfizer vaccine. Pfizer did not develop the vaccine by itself, but rather another company called BioNTech created the original formula, which went through…

In case someone has never heard it before, above is a variant of "Stallman GNU/Linux copypasta"

Re: Heart inflammation cases in young men higher than expected after mRNA vaccines

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Post by raydev »

Crazy coincidence. I'm in my late 30s, now 3 days out from my first dose of Pfizer.

I woke up kinda uncomfortable today. Like I'd already had too much coffee just getting out of bed. Within an hour I felt significanty stressed, and I had vague pressure throughout my upper chest, both sides. I was convinced it was my first ever panic attack since it didn't feel like a life ending threat.

No acute or vague pains either. My heart rate was elevated like I was currently on a pleasant walk (I was laying on the floor wondering what to do). Apple Watch didn't think anything was worth alerting about.

The peak of the "event" lasted about 20 minutes, and I went for an actual walk once I calmed down a bit. I felt comfortable enough to join my personal trainer for a pretty heavy workout a couple hours later. No issues during the workout, but a few hours post-workout now, I don't feel the usual calm/tired feeling. Still kinda feeling like I've had too much caffeine.

I'm now wondering if this is what happened to me.

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Post by thenaturalist »

dkarras wrote: post #169
drcross wrote: post #161

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>which is what Covid binds to. You mean the SARS-2 spike protein binds to the ACE receptors. mRNA vaccines create the spike protein so it's going to work in exactly the same way as natural infection. Recent research from Japan is showing that the spike protein from vaccination is not staying at the injection site it can get into the blood stream (and causes blood clots as are widely reported), crossing the blood brai…

That... doesn't make sense. You WILL get exposed to this virus. Worst case, the virus will be able to do the same and more without any prior training for your immune system. If you said "I'll try not to get covid" I'd say "Impossible but godspeed" at least your logic would be sound.

Absolutely this. What are your "smartest" friends saying about the billions of dollars invested and spent by other really smart individuals in developing these vaccines in the first place? I bet world class biologists and investors aren't doing it for the fun.

PS: If anyone is curious about the "real thing", I'd highly recommend you look up hospital documentaries on COVID IC units. There is one - unfortunately German only - called "Charité intensiv" which quite drastically showcases the extent of what you have to deal with when contracting COVID. Let me tell you it's quite a bit more than myocarditis.

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Post by Fomite »

JPKab wrote: post #98
peanut_worm wrote: post #78

Did anyone else get really bad side effects? I felt awful after my first shot and now I an currently recovering from my second shot and feel even worse. I don’t think I have ever felt this bad from an illness.

There is a relatively high rate (fully acknowledged) of high fever from the MRNA vaccines, particularly after the second dose. Compared to standard vaccines of the past, the rate of fever and illness is dramatically higher. But COVID is so dangerous and contagious that the benefit is higher than the cost. I say this as somebody (if you look at some of my previous comments) who lost my Mother-in-law due to a rare side…

Note it depends on which "standardized vaccines of the past" you mean. The side effects for the smallpox vaccine were horrific by modern standards.

Re: Heart inflammation cases in young men higher than expected after mRNA vaccines

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Post by ancientorange »

drcross wrote: post #161
EMM_386 wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The human heart has a lot of ACE2 receptors, which is what Covid binds to. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7239191/ I wonder if you can get myocarditits both from exposure and the vaccine. Covid is in your heart tissue, triggering an immune response. When you get the vaccine, your immune system is going to ramp up even further to deal with this Covid in your heart. This would only affect people who had p…

>which is what Covid binds to. You mean the SARS-2 spike protein binds to the ACE receptors. mRNA vaccines create the spike protein so it's going to work in exactly the same way as natural infection. Recent research from Japan is showing that the spike protein from vaccination is not staying at the injection site it can get into the blood stream (and causes blood clots as are widely reported), crossing the blood brai…

>As a healthy 30 year old I would prefer to take my risk with covid than take these vaccines.

As an exhausted 34 year old who spent the last year field-monitoring vaccine trials, I would love to see the sources that informed your position.

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